ATR H2A Pay Debate, USDA Cuts $1B, EPA Deregulates, China Slaps Tariff on Canadians with @AdamLasch1
About this episode
Vance hosts dairy farmer and prominent X/Twitter agricultural commentator Adam Lasch for a headline-dense Ag Tribes Report covering H-2A migrant labor economics, USDA program cuts, EPA deregulation, and Chinese retaliatory tariffs on Canadian canola. The episode opens with a genuinely substantive debate about why American agriculture relies on H-2A foreign workers rather than domestic labor, with Lasch acknowledging the seasonal-labor economics (farmers can't justify full-time domestic staff for 6-8 week harvest windows) while Vance advances his currency-debasement thesis — that inflation erodes domestic wages relative to what migrant workers can achieve by sending dollars home to countries with lower costs of living, framing it as fundamentally a monetary problem rather than a cultural work-ethic problem. The USDA program cuts segment examines $1.1 billion in eliminated local-food-purchasing programs (Local Food for Schools and Local Food Purchase Assistance), with Lasch offering a detailed insider critique of the programs' bureaucratic design flaws (400-mile "local" definitions, cross-state administrative requirements, poor timing of funding allocation) that undermined their effectiveness regardless of the funding cut's political optics. EPA deregulation of diesel emissions systems (DEF, EGR valves) draws personal frustration from both hosts about equipment reliability tradeoffs, while Vance offers a striking regulatory-strategy prediction: that opponents of glyphosate will bypass EPA/USDA regulatory pathways entirely and instead pursue food-labeling restrictions (banning trace glyphosate residue in packaged consumer products) as a back-door method to effectively ban the herbicide's agricultural use. The China-Canada canola tariff story becomes a broader geopolitical discussion about Canadian federalism, with both hosts speculating that Western Canadian provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan) resent historical economic subordination to Eastern Canada and might have latent sympathy for closer US integration — a notably provocative, contrarian claim for a US-based agricultural podcast. Lasch's Peter Thiel paradox prediction — that the era of mega-dairies has peaked and the industry will trend back toward smaller family-scale operations with robotic milking due to diseconomies of scale in manure management — earns Vance's highest recorded "nine" agreement score of the episode, a rare full-throated endorsement. The episode closes with a Bitcoin land price segment where Lasch identifies as a Bitcoin skeptic specifically on monetary-unit-of-account grounds (a substantive critique rather than dismissal) and a worthy adversary segment naming two Twitter agricultural voices who support sustainable aviation fuel corn mandates that Lasch believes represent an unsustainable "end game" for the corn/ethanol growth model.
“I personally believe that the biggest challenge to being able to keep American workers going on ag land is that inflation just keeps going... until we fix the money, we will not have a stable American agricultural migrant workforce.”
“There was a lot of convoluted... bureaucratic back and forth and it was not an efficient way to administer the program... What's stopping schools from buying local now?”
“I think the future model for the dairy industry is going to be more family farms... sixty, a hundred twenty, two hundred forty cows and robots to do the milking.”
Key moments
- Vance's currency-debasement thesis for why American labor can't compete with H-2A migrant labor economics.
- Lasch's detailed insider critique of USDA local-food program bureaucratic design flaws, including the odd "what's stopping schools from buying local now" rhetorical challenge.
- Vance's prediction that glyphosate opponents will pursue a food-labeling back-door strategy rather than direct EPA/USDA regulatory action to effectively ban the herbicide.
- The Canadian federalism digression — claim that Western provinces resent Eastern Canadian economic control and might have latent sympathy for US integration.
- Lasch's Peter Thiel paradox prediction that mega-dairies have peaked and the industry will trend back to smaller family-scale robotic operations, earning Vance's rare "nine" agreement score.
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