Rural Oklahoma Rancher on COVID Response, Power Structures, and Urban vs Rural Divide

Jerod McDaniel [00:00:00] It's gradual over time. And so for the last, from, from 1900, whenever this place was founded, this area to today, a hundred and some 20 years, you gradually just kind of whittled away, whittled away. And because the mindset is like you, you, you grow up and you move away, you grow up and you move away because there's always something else. The last two years in, in my mind, the cultural, the cultural flow has already shifted. It's just, I'm Brian Moose, a farmer living in Florence, South Dakota, and you're listening to the Vance Crow podcast.

Vance Crowe [00:00:32] Welcome back to the podcast. I'm glad you're here. Jared McDaniel returns for longtime listeners of the podcast. You know, Jared McDaniel is a cattle rancher with some brash and intense opinions that I love to crash into. Jared and I have known each other for years. We've done podcasts together, we've traveled together, and I just love that he's one of these people that has ideas and he sticks to his guns and he thinks through things in a completely different way than I do. So you are about to listen to a conversation where he has ideas that I find repellent, and we disagree, and we explore and we come back to new ideas. This is a really fun conversation. We're gonna get there in just a second, but right now there is actually windows and wires and equipment all coming to the new studio that we are building out, not just for the podcast, but for Legacy Interviews. This is where I sit down with one of your loved ones to record the five areas of their life that is worth remembering their family stories, their childhood, what it was like to become a parent and legacy that they want to leave behind. We are building out a studio because there has been such a high demand for this service. That meeting in my home studio just didn't make sense anymore. So if you're interested in having me interview one of your family members, you can sign up to have me do it in person here in St. Louis, starting around May, or you can have me do them, they interview over Zoom where we, no matter where you are in the world, we can sit down with your parents or loved ones over Zoom and conduct an interview where they tell the stories that you'd love to see captured.

Vance Crowe [00:02:15] If you're interested in this, go to Articulate Ventures where you will find a new page describing the Legacy Interviews. I hope you check it out and consider purchasing this. We're gonna do a whole bunch of Zoom interviews before the studio is built, and then we'll largely focus on in-person interviews. So if you're interested in these Zoom interviews, sign up now while there's plenty of spots. So you can do that by going to Articulate Ventures. All right, without further ado, we're heading to my conversation with my man, Jared McDaniel. Jared McDaniel, welcome back to the podcast

Jerod McDaniel [00:02:52] Back. That's right. I, I haven't been on here. How's it been? What it two years or right at the beginning of the pandemic stuff?

Vance Crowe [00:02:58] Man, it has been a long time. So if you're a long time listener to the podcast, you know that Jared McDaniel is a cattle rancher out in Oklahoma, out in t so in the middle of what most people would consider nowhere, but it's a somewhere place for you, Jared, we were talking before the show got started about how much the world has revealed itself over the last two years. What is it like down in Oklahoma right now?

Jerod McDaniel [00:03:23] It is completely normal and wonderful Vance, and I would say it's probably been that way most of the time, you know, outside of the initial, oh, kind of state of panic or fear whenever, you know, the, the very first kinda lockdown thing happened, and, and what's funny is I'll go back and kind of just as that lockdown, you know, happened and they, and they deemed everybody essential and non-essential and, you know, whatever that was, we're essentially all essential out here. You know, everybody works in, in agriculture providing food. So it was like, well, we don't really stop, literally. I mean, there might be some people that like stayed at home and, you know, came out, didn't go to their house or something, but that, that's pretty rare. For the most part. Everybody got up and went to work. And in fact, one of the things that I was really appreciative of is during that, like couple weeks of the lockdown, our little town actually had like crazy parties where people were driving up and down the street, you know, basically town just came alive again. 'cause people were like, Hey, we don't have anywhere else to go. And keep in mind, we're in a town of a thousand people in the middle of nowhere, you know, like you said, it's somewhere to me and to, and to everybody out here, but to the rest of the world, we're kind of just a little spot in the doesn't, not that we don't exist, but like, we don't exist in their world. Does that make sense?

Vance Crowe [00:04:36] Yeah. Last night I was having dinner with a buddy of mine, and he's kind of a philosopher, definitely urban oriented, and he pointed out about, you know, the culture of America is about freedom and about, you know, there are liberties and if, if we were ever attacked, even if you knocked down all of our buildings, that we would be this way. And I, I think, like, I agree with him on one level, my experience being out in rural America, towns of 10,000 people or less, I think that's probably true, but I don't think that's true in the cities. I think COVID taught us this is not a, a, you know, freedoms and liberties aren't the number one goal or objective. What are your thoughts?

Jerod McDaniel [00:05:18] What do you mean that they're not the objective like this?

Vance Crowe [00:05:20] Well, I, I think like people that are in the city are not, they don't, they don't think of freedom and liberty as the number one objective. Like it's, it's not a part of a a, a canon for them that describes I'm an American, freedom is number one, and all other things come after that.

Jerod McDaniel [00:05:39] Well, the cattle in the feedlot don't wanna know what it's like to run around out in the open planes either. You know, I, I, I'm sad jokingly, but I also seriously a little bit, you know, kind of back to what I was talking about whenever this all happened, kind of the attitude that, that I believe was kind of taken by maybe rural America. And especially here, I think partially due to our, you know, huge immigrant population that comes in to work in the packing plants. Because keep in mind we're also like, we're kind of forgotten by the, by the part of the world. I mean, we, our base culture is ba basically immigrants that just come in constantly. There's a constant influx of new people into our area that are going to work and meat packing plants, and they're coming from some pretty shitty places. I mean, they're coming from places that are like, not really, you know, probably not as good as what they're landing in. So even whenever they're like, oh, you're here to work, but there's a virus and you know, you might like, they were like, cool, we're still just as free as we we're, even more free than we were. You can lock us down our house and we don't give a shit. We're in America. Like, so people just kept doing their stuff. I mean, and, and you know, I'm not saying there wasn't sickness and there wasn't everything else that went along with it. And, you know, all that being what it is, like really quick after this started, like everybody just kind of went back to normal. I mean, like, they still had, you know, you went other places and there was people in the masks and all that shit and all that. That basically went away, I'd say within a month of like, when it began. So like March, April, may, maybe May of 20, I guess. So, so since then, you know, last two years we've essentially, you know, kind of sat out here and not, not laughed at it.

Jerod McDaniel [00:07:16] We just come and said, well, what crazy shit are you gonna try to lock everybody down that with now? I mean, it's really kind of been, it's been surreal to sit there and watch everybody lose their shit and then not be able to adjust to reality. And kinda like what you're saying as, as the, the city people or the people who don't have maybe a connection with, you know, an outside area or an outside world, they don't, they don't see the, you know, the attacker something that's going against them. They just like, if it's too, they can't see the forest for the trees. You know,

Vance Crowe [00:07:53] When you think about the people that were in Oklahoma, they've decided, hey, we're not gonna use the masks. We don't want to. I think there were a lot of people living in the cities that were saying, ah, these people are fool hard. They just don't know that, you know, how bad COVID could be or that it's wrecking our, our culture. If, let's imagine a scenario in which COVID had been far more deadly or far more transmissible, and do you think people would've continued to wear masks if it had been the, you know, the, the rational choice?

Jerod McDaniel [00:08:28] No, no. Well, it wouldn't have been a rational choice because it still would've been the same thing. It even if it, even if it would've been a, okay, a more deadly virus or something more transmissible, great, it, the, the same outcomes apply. You're gonna, I mean, the same, at least that way I feel, and I think, you know, a lot of people in, in other, you know, areas similar to mine is you just dive into it and, you know, survival of the fittest to the lack of, of a better term expression. That's not trying to say that as, as a slight to people with conditions or people who are aren't capable of, of, of fighting with their immune system. Like that's, yeah, there's, there's stuff that, you know, they invented things for it. There's therapeutics, there's thousands of other things, you know, and it's like this, I, it was weird as fuck to me to sit there and watch your, this myopic view of we're just gonna vaccine, vaccine vaccine, okay, back it up, Terry, time out, we run cattle out here, we do this shit for a living. Like, and all of a sudden they're like, oh, we're gonna turn the world into a feedlot again, time out. Why don't you go talk to people who've been running feed lights and here's a whole bunch of shit that can go wrong. And guess what? All that shit has just went wrong. It is like, you dumb fucks. What did you think was gonna happen? And, and to your point, like what you said, the people in the city, they just, you know, like they think that maybe we're being fool heartedly whenever I'm kind of thinking like, well, you jackasses don't, you're not even at the beginning of the, of the conversation to understand like, how is a human to evolve through this, whether it's manmade or whether it's, you know, somebody made some fucking bad stew.

Jerod McDaniel [00:09:59] It doesn't matter. You, you're, whether it's a, a tame virus, a mi like you're gonna, you're still gonna have to live, right? So we made the decision pretty early on, like, we're not doing any of this shit. 'cause it's not, it's all, it's all theater. I mean, it's all, I mean, and, and look, I get it.

Vance Crowe [00:10:16] I think, I think for me it's all trade-offs, right? Like at the time with masks, we really didn't know. And I kept saying like, well, even if masks do protect you, there are downsides here, right? Like, yeah,

Jerod McDaniel [00:10:29] You, and that,

Vance Crowe [00:10:30] That was the thing that made, like communicating with other people about COVID almost untenable because they would say, no, there's one option. And anybody outside of that option is completely wrong and there's no validity whatsoever to what you're saying. And you'd be like, all right, well when is a little girl gonna read whether or not the man that she's talking with is dangerous to her by looking at their face? Like, when are they gonna learn that intuition if you put masks on everybody? And that was something that people were like, oh, that's not important. And then you're finding out, you know, two years later, oh wait, all these kids that grew up where they only saw adults wearing masks, now they have all these speech issues, these are up like hundreds of percent because nobody was even willing to talk about what the trade-offs were.

Jerod McDaniel [00:11:12] Well, I don't know that you could say nobody, because they're a large SWAT of America that said the hell with it. I mean, we basically, I mean they, here's the, here's the, here's how a mask policy went here. They put a mask mandate on the school because it was, if you had a mask mandate, then you didn't have to do a bunch of the other bullshit. So it was like, all it became was a matter of like, here, let's move these pieces around to play their stupid shitty game. And really, for the most part, it was, I mean, kids and God help 'em. I love I or God bless them. I love the kids and, and youth and the spirit of, of rebellion because man, right from the get go, our kids are like, screw that. And they would, you know, it was like, we're only putting this up for you. And, and for the most part it was always down. And then even at that, it became a farce. You know, the, it wasn't, it was understood by everybody. And I mean, everybody in the community, oh, it's all bullshit. And yeah, okay, you put it in the, you put it on to going to Walmart. How fucking stupid is that? Like, I mean, just really, you fucking wear it into Walmart. And Julie and I, we both were kinda like, at, you know, at some point we were like, whenever you really dawns on you, this is all bullshit. You just take it off and yeah, it's a, it's a, I remember being like going into it and walking around and like you do the nod or the wave, the head dawn, you know, the the other three guys that don't have it on, and you're not in a club, you're just like, Hey, we're the only sane motherfuckers in this place. And it's that simple. It really is that simple that's going

Vance Crowe [00:12:37] On, that's going on in the suburbs right now. You know, I live in Thes. I know, but that, that I'm saying the nod, right? Yeah. The, the there, and even in the very beginning in, in the grocery stores, like masks were a little bit slow to come on. And then once they hit some tipping point, then boom, everybody, everybody in the suburbs did it. And then over time you started seeing one or two people that would be like, well, if nobody's gonna come over here and tell me I must put a mask on, I'm not going to. But it it, you had to have a certain amount of balls in the city to, to go around without a mask. 'cause I had like a little old lady yell at me. I had people in the produce area, like kind of not get aggressive, but definitely voice their opinion and look around for other people to try and en encourage other people to voice their opinion that I wasn't wearing my mask. It was, it was, it has been a bizarre thing, but it took a lot longer than it did in Oklahoma, that's for sure. This is more of like the last year.

Jerod McDaniel [00:13:34] Yeah, well that's what it really, for me, looking out, just sitting where I am, I mean, it seems like the world's about 18 months behind as far as like waking up to this shit. And it's like, come on guys, you'll get there, you'll get there. You know, like from the head nod to eventually just completely flip that, like, here, there might be one or two people that wear a mask, great. Like, awesome man, high five, rock your mask, man. No one gives a shit. We're happy for you. And that's where it's at. But you know, it's weird that in other places, like if somebody else doesn't have a mask, like in the country that I live in, there are places where people are just outrageous dicks to other humans because they aren't putting a stupid piece of cloth over their face that's completely irrational. There's no fucking sense that can be made of that. And anybody that has like at this point still latched onto that shit, has got some major issues that they need to go fucking hug something. Because it's like, there's problems there, man. There's like, there's a, there's a, there's a genuine disconnect from reality. So,

Vance Crowe [00:14:35] So when you think about Oklahoma, do you think that people living there, or the people living around in your community, do they view themselves as Oklahomans first or do they view themselves as Americans? Like where, what is the cultural kind of, this is who we are when we're living out here?

Jerod McDaniel [00:14:51] I think you could even break it down as far as like, even within Oklahoma, because being, I'll give you an example. Like we live in the far western part of Oklahoma. It's like, you know, basically out here where Colorado, Kansas, Texas panhandle, I mean, it's, it's, it's the southern high plains for people that don't know and kind of back to your mask, just kinda tie this together, you know, it all went away for us early. Now this would've been in, gosh, maybe May of 21. I, I may be off on my time. It's just basically early part of 21, somewhere in there. So this has been going, you know, it's going on long enough, it's been like a year. So everybody's pretty much rocking along wearing their mask, you know, it's like very ingrained into the, the culture. And we go to Oklahoma City or with a family, you know, do something. And we're pretty much used to living like we do, you know, everybody's kind of open, you know, and yeah, we understand like when you go to cities, you still kind of participating in their charade because it's like, not, not that you wear the mask, but like, you just go, yeah, we're gonna sit here and stand apart and all, all this bullshit. It's really, you're doing it more as a courtesy to them. It's like, look, these people are too fragile to, to accept the reality that I live in. So if I go out there and just act like I normally do, they're gonna fucking freak out. So you can't, you can't go in there with just like you crazy people because they are, they're craziest shit, but there's a bunch of 'em.

Vance Crowe [00:16:09] It's being culturally aware, right? Like you're gonna go

Jerod McDaniel [00:16:12] Somewhere else, right? Yeah, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, trying to be respectful of them, but, but like, okay. Went to a restaurant, I, cheesecake Factory. You can get that out if you're not supposed to say the name of the stupid restaurant in the city.

Vance Crowe [00:16:21] Cheesecake Factory is, is fine. We can shoot it. Okay,

Jerod McDaniel [00:16:25] There you go. Anyway, we go into this restaurant and it's me and the family and everything else, and we're waiting to get set down. Course I don't have a mask any, this shit. I think, I think some of the kids, you still, people were still doing it. You know, we were in Oklahoma City or Edmund or you know, population hub in Oklahoma, the capitol, and going to a restaurant and like these little waitresses just flipped their lid and were like, you have to wear a mask, you know, losing their shit. And, and keep in mind, I didn't live in this, so I was kinda like, oh shit, you know, this is like, are you, people still haven't figured this out, you know? But again, trying to be, you know, polite. You go, go out the car, go grab the stupid little fake bullshit disposable mask that's gonna end up in the ditch five minutes later and you put it on your stupid, you know, ears and you walk literally 15 feet, no mask, walk in the door, put your stupid thing on, walk 15 feet, take it off and sit down. The height of fucking stupidity is just beyond me, how dumb this is. But okay, you know, like we're, we're playing along with your charades and everybody we're ordering the food, all this stuff. And I'm not making a shit about it. It just, you know, we're all happy to be with whatever. And I distinctly remember this. The next thing is, is a guy who lived in this city, obviously, him and his wife and a couple of their kids, he walks in and he is like a, you could tell he's anti mask, he's anti everything, but he's like a dude that's in the city and he's got this bewildered look like he looks like a thousand yard stare. Like he's been fighting his whole life for this moment. I mean, but he, but he has his mask and he sits on, and, and he, but he's, it's weird 'cause he doesn't want to have a mask.

Jerod McDaniel [00:18:00] He doesn't wanna do all these rules. And he's bitching at the waitress the whole time about how she's such a, you know, this and that and everything else. And he looks down at me and of course I got my long hair. I got my, I, I look like I, look, I'm, I'm, I may be a problem. And I'm sitting there in this big table with this giant family and we probably have 20 people in this, you know, it's hold the court, dude, seriously, straight up looks at me and he's like, and she's about to set him right next to us and we don't have masks on, you know, it's like all this stuff. And he's like, I need to be down. Like, he, he removes himself from our area because it's like, he doesn't like the way it looks to me. You know? He, I'm just, just telling you this was, I'm sitting there observing. I'm not saying a word this entire time. All I've done is kept my stupid mask, go sit down, we order, we're waiting for our food. And this guy still just can't, he, he keeps, he like, looks down at me and I finally, I just, I look at him like, well, you got a fucking problem. Like, what's your deal? And, you know, I could tell he's like telling the waitress, he doesn't like being set close to us. There's problem again, he's anti mask all this shit. And he starts talking, you know, he's, he just kind of berating the, the, the waitress. So it's just really, really weird. 'cause he's like, and he, he's, I think he wants to be like on my side. 'cause he is like, yeah man, we're not doing this. But he doesn't wanna sit by me. 'cause he is like, this guy might be infected with something. And that was this guy's world. He was so crazy and caught up in the drama that some random person that he didn't know, he was concerned about who we were and we didn't have masks on. We might infect him with something, but he damn sure didn't want to be wearing a mask. He didn't want any part of somebody telling him what to do.

Jerod McDaniel [00:19:31] And then he didn't wanna be set by someone who might be like a problem. And, you know, and it's just one of those things, like, I'm like this dude. And, and there's a million of people like that. Like that guy had just lost his shit so much that he couldn't function in a restaurant to go sit down.

Vance Crowe [00:19:48] Yeah. And the, the, the kind of fascinating thing is like each person's individual decisions stack up to be what a culture is and an economy and, you know, a community, like everybody's taking their own individual actions. And it seems to me that there were things, and you're like one of the most vocal people on Twitter to say like, I'm gonna call what I think balls and strikes are, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna call 'em out. When you look at the way people expected things like the price of goods to be in the future, why do you think that people are surprised that from the collective actions, both of the government and the way that human beings are acting, that prices are, you know, soaring up right now? Why are people surprised by that?

Jerod McDaniel [00:20:35] I think they're naive. I think they're naive. I don't think they have a, and again, that's back to the connection of if you've never seen an animal go hungry, you yourself, you're not gonna understand what it was like to be, to be hungry. I mean, you're not, yeah, but we've always been able to go get the grocery store and even if you don't have money, well you get food stamps and, and I'm not trying to be flippant, I'm just, I'm trying to speed through the process. Like there's always a backstop, there's always security. There's never, you're never gonna run out in our part of the war, you know, in our America, right? Well, guess what? Nobody gives a shit. I mean, and then, and I guess my, my harshness to it really became back, you know, to the whole, back to the beginning. When you go to essential and non-essential, well that, let's just stop right there. I mean, you, you and I may have talked about this and it's been discussed ad nauseum, but when you start to say you are essential and you are not essential, that makes me feel pretty good. Whenever I'm running around going, hey, I'm essential, I, the world's going to hell, but they still need me. Literally, okay, how about if you're, that that, sorry poor guy that's like, yeah, you're not really essential. Go play video games. We're gonna send you some money and, and hey, don't do any, don't just hang out in the house and we'll get you some shots. We'll get you some, we'll take care of you. You know, like no zero talk of self-reliance of, Hey, pull yourself up. Hey, why don't you get off your As and do something. And, and seeing how the world kind of pulled the curtain back whenever they were scared that they might run out of food, water, whatever, like out here, seeing how they, how in a place that produces food, we were left alone.

Jerod McDaniel [00:22:12] I mean literally they, they, one of the first things they did was whenever they said, you need masks, you need tests, you need blah, blah, all this stuff that you need. Well, Oklahoma Panhale is the last place it's gonna get it. It's all going, it's all going to Oklahoma City. Like we had, we had the, we had the people out here and they literally left, they got in their cars and they drove to Oklahoma City and they said, good luck.

Vance Crowe [00:22:36] Wait, who left

Jerod McDaniel [00:22:36] That that? Well, any and everybody this is doing testing any, like if, okay, the doctors said, Hey, we need like the stuff, we need masks, we need, we need supplies. We, and, and this is for an area that is, has a packing house in this town and 40 miles away, or like, this is where the meat, the food, this is where like the, the nuts and bolts of fucking America happens. So they tell you on, on, on the surface, it was all cast out there. Oh, we, we need the essential workers. You guys do everything, you know, we're right there, we got you. But on, in reality, it was like, see ya, you guys take care of this. We're gonna go, we're, we're outta here, we're outta here. In the sense that like, and this was not just the national federal though. This is the state governors. This is everybody who was deemed the take care of you. Whenever shit hit the fan all took the fuck off and they're gone. They're gone. Vance. Like, we were literally like, oh, we do this on our own. And it was, and it wasn't like we didn't know that's how it was. It was just a straight up like, now here's a reality check. This is what it's, so from, from that point forward, my perspective was this is all bullshit because it's not, the humans are not reacting to it the way humans should. And then you slowly watch this thing get hijacked by a narrative that is, that is, you know, or maybe the whole time, I don't know that the longer this goes on, I'm not so sure that the whole thing wasn't com entirely planned and just kind of done out with the point of getting like a, you know, the social credit system or something of that ilk, you know, installed or at least getting it put into place.

Jerod McDaniel [00:24:09] I think that, I think ultimately we'll probably find out that, and there may even be a depopulation aspect to the vaccine. I mean, I, I don't care saying 'em because I, I think that that's all viable things. And again, too much passed

Vance Crowe [00:24:20] To me. So, so to me, these, the grand narratives of conspiracy, the reason that I struggle to believe them is that I've been to the top and the people at the top are not competent. At least the political leaders are the people that are installing them. And the people that are behind that may be far more capable. But I can tell you that the people that actually have the vote control the, the, the how billions of dollars are spent. These people are not chess masterminds. They are placeholders. And if they don't do what they're, you know, what they somebody wants to do, then they're, they're gone.

Jerod McDaniel [00:24:59] How easy would it be to manipulate said placeholders?

Vance Crowe [00:25:04] Yeah, I mean, like, I'm very suspicious of conspiracy theories if only because people can't keep secrets. So people almost always tell what they're doing and those kinds of ideas get out. And two, I I mean just, I think most human beings are completely incompetent outside of their one little area that they're, they're capable in. And so conspiracies require vast sums of people. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying I'm hyper sensitive to, to those being an easy way to explain why the world is working the way it is, but hard to, to prove, which makes it kind of this always like the, and like an urban, an urban legend that can be used to drive people's actions in the same way that regular propaganda can be.

Jerod McDaniel [00:25:52] Hmm. Well, I think I, I'm baffled. I'm not baffled. I I think it's the same thing. I, I think it's basically you have a certain number of people who can kind of drop the illusion or the, the facade that is the, the storefronts with no back of the building. That's basically what, that's what, that's what our administration is. I mean, they exposed that and a Afghanistan was a wildly, they threw the door open. And look, there is absolutely gross incompetence from top to bottom throughout this administration period. No questions, no political, no. Oh, they're in, they're because they're Democrats or bullshit, these are humans that can't function. So yeah, answers. There's a bunch of dumb bastards that can't do, can't put together, come here from scom. And I think those people are very easy to manipulate and control because they're all dirty as hell. And I think it, you know, you say people will shut their mouth if they think that there's like being blackmailed. And I think it's very easy that this, and if you look at the world economic, the wf, I mean, you kind of can piece all that shit together. And yeah, you can't link it, this and that, but every day more links keep getting put back every day. More things keep getting drawn, connected, connected, connected and to the point. Like you can't just say, well, it's not really happening like bullshit either. Either it's either it's happening or something far worse is happening

Vance Crowe [00:27:18] To me.

Jerod McDaniel [00:27:20] It's not, it's not just a comedy of errors. I don't think it's a comedy of errors.

Vance Crowe [00:27:24] Interesting. So you think there's a group of people, how, how many people do you need to get together to be able to pull off a conspiracy that is global in nature?

Jerod McDaniel [00:27:33] Oh shit. You could deal with a hundred people as, as concentrated as power is. Think about that.

Vance Crowe [00:27:41] I mean, I struggle to believe that because, so I mean,

Jerod McDaniel [00:27:44] Why is that? I mean, I could be convinced,

Vance Crowe [00:27:46] But, but, but let me, let me put up this, like, I think one of the reasons that I struggle with that is there are so many incentives for people to break ranks from a conspiracy. Particularly if it's only a hundred. If there's a hundred people, then you are one of a hundred splitting power and, and taking the risk to be able to put on a grand conspiracy. But defection is so valuable at that point because you, you know, you would have knowledge that other people wouldn't have. So to me, like the, if it's a small, the, the problem with a small enough group is they don't have enough power. And the larger the group becomes, the more valuable defection becomes from, from being able to keep these grand conspiracies. I mean, I've seen business deals of very competent people that are more than five or very, very difficult to pull off. So when you say a hundred people around the world from different cultures and different, you know, parts of the world, it just seems very, it's very difficult for me to wrap my mind around.

Jerod McDaniel [00:28:46] You'll get there.

Vance Crowe [00:28:50] Well, why don't we talk about a conspiracy that you talk about a lot, which is the, the meat packing industry, particularly the beef. What is going on in the packing world that people that aren't, you know, cattle producers wouldn't understand, but should probably know about?

Jerod McDaniel [00:29:04] Well, just metaphorically, they're the gatekeepers of the industry right now. And they have been for the last couple years. How they got there is a long kind of twisted journey. And how they remain there is, it's not necessarily a, I don't know, it's a corrupt story. It's more of a one of apathy. So I mean, I kind of as, as for them being the gatekeepers, let me elaborate on that. You, we raise cattle, you know, we, we breed 'em. They have the babies, we take care of 'em when they're young. And the pair, you know, the mamas and the calves, we raise them until they're seven, 800 pounds. Take 'em off, they will go to either feedlot or we'll put 'em on wheat pasture. We raise them up until them from like 800 pounds in the feedlot, they'll go to 12 50, 13, 14. You know, they, they, so at this point we still own the animal. I mean, this is how I do my operation. Other people, some people sell them at different nodes along the way, but it all encompassing up until that animal walks into a slaughterhouse, it's basically owned by a producer or somebody tied to the production of an animal. Now you're getting into the harvesting phase. Well, right now there's only, well, and I'm speaking of generalities and I say there's only so many hooks. I mean, there's only so many actual physical places to hang an animal and there's, there's a shortage of harvest capacity.

Vance Crowe [00:30:26] Yeah. Just so somebody has a frame of reference. You're saying you kill the cow, you actually take it by the hooves and hang it. Yeah.

Jerod McDaniel [00:30:32] And that way

Vance Crowe [00:30:33] You're leak the blood out and you're about to butcher it. There's only so many hangers. And those things are, you know, it's a, it's holding up a 12, 1400 pound animal and now you gotta have the refrigerator space and the workers and all of those things. These,

Jerod McDaniel [00:30:45] These are, these are literal giant buildings that are located out here where we live. I mean, they're probably, I don't know, two, three acre, you know, underneath a, you know, different spots. People just, I'm giving you a physical representation of what it is. They're giant buildings. If animals go in, meat comes out. It's what it is. And there there's supposedly a shortage of hooks. You know, whether or not there is, that's, that's a whole nother debate. But it doesn't matter because the what's being utilized is what is is, is available to people. Like there was only so many that are available. So then therefore there's only so much that can be put through. Well, when you have that kind of choking off of, of a supply, there's only you c it is like a cartel. They can control how much goes in and out. And they can also control what they buy from the 'cause. There's so many people that are waiting to get in the door. They now have all the say of who gets in and who doesn't. And it normally can, you know, you think, okay, well this seems out of balance. How does that fix itself? Well, you build another packing plant or harvest capacity and, you know, increases because they're making so much money killing cattle or animals per se. And yeah, that's true. But there's, there's so many like backstories between regulations that have kept new plants from coming online for decades for this isn't like all happened because of COVID. This is all, this is a train wreck that's been coming on for the last 20 some odd years. And it's, and it has to do with like efficiencies. And efficiencies are, are driven because we want keep cost of production down. Why do we wanna keep cost of production down? Because we wanna keep our prices low. Why do we wanna keep prices low? 'cause all the consumers want shit cheap.

Jerod McDaniel [00:32:16] They, congratulations people, if you run out of food, it's because you wanted your McDonald's for the last 20 years and you wanted it cheap. And I, you know, I don't have a lot of sympathy for society that has said we want our ship fast, we want it cheap, we want it done. We want, want, want, want, want. Okay, well because of all these wants, you have failed to invest in infrastructure. Now these are the results of failure to invest in infrastructure. We don't have hooks, we don't have the places to kill them. Or even if the industry says, Hey, we are making, we need to, the market signal is build more plants. We have gotten so far down the rabbit hole and gotten so corrupt by lobbyists and, and the, for the meat packers, they have so much political capital. They, they're so good at it. They, they're like, we'll write the rules and, and write everybody else out of the game to now there's only three or four packers that control everything. And then, and basically they are the meat cartel of America.

Vance Crowe [00:33:11] You know, it's funny you meant you bring it up that way. I was talking with a friend of mine, he brought up a really interesting point. He said, you know, why is it that whenever there's drugs that it always comes down to just a few cartels? And he was like, well, basically when you see cocaine come into the United States and you see it be, let's say it's a, it's a $90 million but bust, right? Or a hundred million dollar bust, then he was like, basically 90% of that is profit margin. So the cost to goods sold is about 10%. So the, the whoever is selling them has a 90% profit margin. And once you have a 90% profit margin, once you have a bigger enough margin, now you can use that money to recycle and just keep growing and growing, push everybody else out. And that this is what makes it so market concentration happens when, when margins are too large, people will take advantage of them. And so he was kind of giving this description. Okay, can we

Jerod McDaniel [00:34:08] Pause there? I have great parallel point here to what you were saying about whether or not there could be a grand conspiracy, how all this stuff could happen with just a few people at the mastermind. I mean, think of a cartels, how they can move massive amounts of illegal substances with very few people to the, to to, like you said to the masses. How do they do that? They have control over all that now, okay, you have a, you have a government that can, government is acting the exact same way of a cartel does in in the way that they control your liberties and freedoms and everything else. And, and, and, and I'm speaking very generally because you're talking about democracy as a whole. When you look at Canada, you look at America, you look at all the democracies. If you were a cartel that wanted to take over the world, how would you do it? You do it exactly like they're right now, how does a cartel operate through very controlled means and what are they, they're very effective at what they do. And you can't argue that they aren't because otherwise why can't we stop the drugs? So if they're as, as the money pile grows bigger, the morality that that needs to be around gets smaller. Correct? I mean, as a general rule, let's just say that's a scale, right? As money goes up, yeah.

Vance Crowe [00:35:17] You're always gonna find people that'll maximize that and they'll take advantage of the fact that once they get those margins, they can return those earnings for their own benefit.

Jerod McDaniel [00:35:24] Yeah. Yeah. So if a person were to maybe have a, an inside track on, on some vaccine stuff, it can make a lot of money. And maybe if there's only a hundred of you and the penalty is death, do you think it's possible that maybe somebody could actually put together something like that?

Vance Crowe [00:35:41] It is just hard. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around it. You know, I, I

Jerod McDaniel [00:35:44] I'm trying to get you there, brother. I'm trying understand

Vance Crowe [00:35:47] That at my base. I mean at my base, I believe people, if they can take good actions, they will, you know? But I also think people will def fact to make bad decisions. It's just very, very difficult for me to wrap my mind around the idea that there would be a human being that would knowingly inject millions or billions of people with something. It's very, it's, it's, I'm I'm not saying you couldn't get there with enough evidence, but you would have to have a lot of evidence to make that case.

Jerod McDaniel [00:36:12] I don't know, man. I think it, I think the inhumanities that they're willing to portray and, and, and then what they, what they've shown they're willing to do has shown me that they're exactly there. That, that, that and, and then who the they are, it keeps getting, you know, it it, the fo it comes more into focus as time goes. I mean, I have no doubt I have no, probably within a year or two, a lot of this will be exposed. I mean, it'll happen so fast. It's already happening. Really. I think that, again, I think that the war that, you know, theoretically is happening in cra, Ukraine is essentially just a direct distraction to keep everybody's mind off of, they just kind of kick the shit outta the world for two years and told people go fuck themselves with their, with literally every one of their human rights. That's not made up. That's not something from some figment of my imagination to conspiracy that fucking happened.

Vance Crowe [00:37:07] No, I mean, that's true. And there are people that drop bombs on, on other countries where they're,

Jerod McDaniel [00:37:12] Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, I get it, man. There's a whole bunch of awakening that I think has happened to America. They're like, oh, this is the real world. This is like, what happens to everybody else? Just like, I mean, I, you know what? I, and I had a little epiphany. You watch the Canadian truckers look, man, they're just the same as the people that are around here. They're kinda like, eh, you know, I'm not, I'm not saying they're the same. I'm saying that the mentality of we're fine not needing you being like the you, the government and everybody else to tell us how to live our lives. It's pretty much like we're fine on our own. We don't need this. The way that that was dealt with p humans, it were like, Hey, this is bullshit. We don't like this. And you could, man, if you couldn't see that, just like coming down the pipe, the authoritative screw, you we're gonna stomp this out, make emergency powers, you know, basically take over and become a dictator and, and kick the living shit outta people. And then be like, ah, okay, we're good. No, we got, we're good. No, that doesn't, that's not fucking normal. That is not fucking normal. Humans don't do that. No. Yeah.

Vance Crowe [00:38:15] I think, I think you're right

Jerod McDaniel [00:38:17] Outta I think

Vance Crowe [00:38:18] People like think people, people became more comfortable with having the government have authority than I expected possible. I, you know, I, I definitely was naive. I remember the day when St. Louis County finally asserted that they were going, going to put people in lockdown. And, and I was sitting there being like, how, how is this even possible? What, you know, like what, what, when, when you do this, you're putting everybody under arrest essentially. And then when you go from that to what's going, what's gone on in Canada where the Prime Minister and, and other people that are in, you know, government positions who are actors can say, we're gonna, we're gonna take the over the banking system and allow you to just seize anyone's assets that they have and any business that they're related to. I mean, that is such a grab of power. But if you had done it before COVID, people would've really, really, they would've bucked against it a lot more, I think. Maybe not, but in this case now, no. They, they won't buck against it.

Jerod McDaniel [00:39:16] And why? Because they've been conditioned to, this is what you have to do to, to be safe. This look, man, they've been selling this bullshit of, of we're gonna make you safe. We're gonna help you like they've been casting that we're here to, to make things better blanket. The thing is, is that I was, why I was very out on the edge. They pulled the blanket back and said, nah, just kidding. We ain't got, like, I got to see that. And I was like, wait a minute that that really stops because it, look man, I get it. You have this sense of like, hey, we're all together. They're humans. There, there's nobody that would really do this. And then you see, like now when it comes down to it, they will immediately be done with you, yours and everybody has anything to do with it. As long, if it does, if you don't fall lockstep into line with, with the way that they have deemed society should go, and, and, and, and man, I'm telling you, I literally, I can't, it's so surreal. I'm watching as a rancher who runs cattle. My, my job is to take living things and manipulate them in such a way that they stay calm and are docile and all they wanna do is eat, sleep and go to slaughter. That's my job. And all I see by the world governments is exactly what I do.

Vance Crowe [00:40:36] How does one react if they believe that this is what the government is trying to do to get put them in CAFOs and, and keep them docile until they can move them along? How, how, what do you think people should be doing right now?

Jerod McDaniel [00:40:51] I I'm doing it. I'm doing what I believe needs to be done. Like you said, I'm very vocal about stuff. I, I think, I think people don't know what to under, they don't know how to handle someone who actually believes what they believe. I think I, I've, that's where I'm at. I think that, you know, it's, it's not, hasn't came to me lightly. It hasn't been like I've, these are flipping decisions that like, like there's been a lot of thought a lot of time and I've spent personally, you know, just really investing in what the hell's going on. And, and I think I've had the luxury of a very vast social media network, and I'm crazy connected to so many people across the world that I can have instantaneous conversations with people who are also just as connected as I am. So I'm, I'm weirdly, I feel like I'm weirdly situated in like I have a massive network connection across the world, and I can talk to people just like you on a one-on-one, not in the public, just in very, very coarse actual conversations. And, and then I'm, I'm also isolated from it. And then I got to exist as normal and watch all this. And, and I'm, and I'm also insulated in them. I don't work for anybody. I'm self-employed. So I'm in this weird quasi position of I'm, I'm not untouchable. Yeah, nobody's quote untouchable. I mean, hell, the all you have to do is, is have a little dirt on the government and all of a sudden you take a hanging nap in the, in the, in the, in the fucking cell. So don't, don't bullshit my on that if you don't fucking believe that man. 'cause the, they killed a whole bunch of people that are disagreeing with them on that shit. So nobody's, nobody is like, nobody's untouchable, but for the most part, as an average human, they don't give a shit about me.

Jerod McDaniel [00:42:25] They don't care. They don't really even care that I'm out there talking shit. Now if I got big enough and, and or, you know, connected enough people that they were already blocking. 'cause look, YouTube takes shit down. There's there, there's actively trying to shut off and shut up. People that don't, they don't like what they say and the reason they don't like it is because it's true and it's ugly and it fucks with what they've got to say. And that's happened over and over and over and over and over. And like, man, I don't know how to say it other than this is all bullshit and the whole thing's theater. And the further you go looking, the more ugliness you uncover.

Vance Crowe [00:43:01] So it's one thing to take a guy like you off of social media, right? Let's you know, it wouldn't be difficult for Twitter to say, Hey, that Jared McDaniel is gone. YouTube, same thing. What happens if larger things happen? So for example, if your power grid is taken down and you no longer have electricity, how, how would you and, and what you're doing right now, adapt to that?

Jerod McDaniel [00:43:25] I'll have generators. I already have, I already have that set up. Our power grid goes out all the time. We live in a shitty end of the line. Nowhere. I'm literally at the end of a 20 or 30 or 40 mile run to a substation. So that's what I'm saying, Vince, people are like, well, what are you gonna do if they shut down the world? I, the world shuts down all the time out here. We live without services. It's constantly that we, I ice storm comes through two weeks, no power. Well, we run generators now. If I had two months or two years, I'm gonna get some badass generators and guess what, guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna sit out here and raise all this shit that everybody needs to eat, that they have neglected and trash the industries for the last 40 fucking years. I'm gonna sit out here and I'm gonna just raise shit and I'm gonna sell it to you people for way more than you ever even thought about paying for it. Because get done fucked up

Vance Crowe [00:44:08] Motherfuckers.

Jerod McDaniel [00:44:09] And that's where we're at. That's just where we're at.

Vance Crowe [00:44:13] Do you feel a sense of bitterness towards Americans living in the city that react in this way? I

Jerod McDaniel [00:44:19] Feel like they're apathetic. I feel like it's, it's, it's past the point, you know? No, I did fight. I, I had sympathy and I had grace and, and I don't know that it's bitter. I think it's, it's more or less just like if, if you won't help yourself, I don't know what kind of, what, how much more energy do you need from the people that will help themselves. Like, because at that point, people that are just sitting there going, man, I don't know what happened, the, the world's shit. And I, and I can't, I don't know what's going on. Like, motherfucker, you've had two years. If you don't feel like it's time to get off your ass and do something you, you need, you need me or someone else who, who's, who's figured it out to come drag your ass up. No, we're I, we literally live every day as a, as a living example in not defiance, but in, in just simple. We exist, we're the control group. Look, nothing come out here come. Why aren't we all dead? Why aren't we all dead? What do mean mean? That that, that, that was the whole point. Oh, you mean

Vance Crowe [00:45:19] Why aren't the people in Oklahoma all dead after something

Jerod McDaniel [00:45:21] Like COVID? Why, why aren't, why haven't, why isn't Sturgis, why haven't all those, why, you know why? Because that shit wasn't real. All the bullshit that they fed was fucking bullshit. And that's where you have to go ba like, okay, everyone's like, I don't know, well go back, go back to the beginning and, and really look at it. And it's, and man, that's what I'm telling you. I, I control animals for a living and I watch the governments immediately go from we are here just kind of, you know, like quasi you manage trade, you know, economic affairs, some political grandstanding, but it's all just kind of for the purpose of keeping things going. That stopped and it turned into, Hey, we're running this like a worldwide ranch and we need, and, and like the way they tried, like if I don't want something to, to get with this group because they're like, oh, this one might be infected. Lock the gate. Let's, let's keep this over there. And you know what? Honestly, I don't even do that anymore. That's probably just a myth because I'm like, fuck it, let 'em get together and we'll talk to the sick ones. Because, because, or you know, in the, the idea of mass treatment, that's again, that's a, that's a, that's a cattle thing. Like, oh, well we've got a whole pen that are at risk. Like say they, maybe they've, they they've, they've been shipped around, they're under stress. These cattle might develop pneumonia, they might develop something and then that might kill 'em. Well, that's a bad economic outcome. So we are like, oh, well hell, let's just give 'em all shots because shots are cheap. And that's true. Now there are bad things that happen. Not, not very often, but like in the, in the grand scheme of things, if some animals die, eh, you eat 'em anyway.

Jerod McDaniel [00:46:59] Very flip. It's not flippant. But that's, you have to ma you have to understand, we as humans eat animals. We are above the food chain. We are here and we treat animals like this because we control and use them for our own existence. And whenever the people of the governments of the world start doing this and treating the humans with the same control and methodology that, that ranchers and, and people who control animals use, that's really fucked up. Like that. That's something that, that became really apparent.

Vance Crowe [00:47:34] You know, when I was in college, I remember being told like, IQ isn't a real thing. And, and you know, there's no differences between people. Everybody has their own skillset. But as you get older, you, you begin to realize, like, this is insane, right? There, there are people that are more intelligent than other people. And I, if there's an average level of intelligence, well then that means half of the people in the, in the median are below that level.

Jerod McDaniel [00:48:01] When you start thinking there's a lot of 'em really close to that middle line.

Vance Crowe [00:48:04] Yeah, exactly. And the middle line,

Jerod McDaniel [00:48:06] You can be a little bit dumb or a little bit smart and still, you know, have, have responsibilities.

Vance Crowe [00:48:11] And so the question becomes, let's imagine, you know, some percentage, 25% of the people that are below that line, you have to take care of them. When you think about this world where you're saying people should be motivated to get off their asses and take care of things, 'cause you know, clearly the government isn't gonna do it for you, what responsibility do we as a society have to people that they just, they're not capable of getting there? And I'm not talking about the infirmed or the, I'm just saying people that are walking around as regular people, but they're just not intelligent enough to interpret what's going on them and come to any conclusion other than the one that they were given.

Jerod McDaniel [00:48:50] Yeah. The, I mean, I think you, are you asking what, like, what I think the responsibility,

Vance Crowe [00:48:55] Well, do we have a responsibility to those people? Do you, do you need, yeah. Do

Jerod McDaniel [00:48:58] You have the same responsibility you had before all this and before everything, you know, before time began. And I mean, if you wanna look at Christianity in, in a sense of, or, you know, religion. I mean, that's this, they've been saying this for beginning of time. You take care of your man. I mean, in, in in nature it's, it's, it's, you see it in nature. A calf is born in a, in a not good conditions. Like it's cold as hell. It's wind's blowing something. You know what a mother does, she instinctively gets up and, and cleans it and takes care of it because that animal is, is incapable of doing it for itself. And over time, for whatever grand plan or scheme has, has nature has figured out that like, hey, if something isn't capable of, of carrying out live function, but it's necessary and it's valuable to nature, then it gets taken care of. Now you talk about elderly, why are elderly valuable? Well, think about the wisdom and, and the, and the time and the, and the things that people have seen. Now, can they go physically pick up boxes and move shit around? And can they go, you know, now they can op they can do operate a lot of equipment now as automated as it is. But, but the, the true value in, in, in the elder, I think historically and throughout humanity has been that they were the source of wisdom. And some of that's been a little convoluted and corrupted because now you've got the elderly who has had life so easy that they've not acquired wisdom. All they've acquired is, wants, needs. And, and just further, they, they've become pawns in their own game. All they wanna do is get a higher status level to some other bullshit.

Jerod McDaniel [00:50:30] And it's, it's like a cancer of the mind though. It's all they see is how we wanna be, you know, above and above and above. And when you see about how you can only climb and looking down, taking care of the little people, like, because you're like, what responsibility we have, you have all the responsibility, the same one you've always had. I mean, shit, if someone was out there like freezing to death, give 'em a fucking blanket, you know, that. And that shouldn't be up to the state. It shouldn't be up to like, oh, well we need to allocate somebody like, hell man, if they're in your town, if you see someone that's down, pick their ass up. It's not, that's what I, I thought about. It's not fucking, it's not rocket science.

Vance Crowe [00:51:04] I'm, I'm in agreement with you on the taking care of fellow people. And I think there was a delusion that went on as the government started to step in. Yeah. And people would say, ah, the way that I can help my fellow man the most is by supporting the fact that the government asserts that they can have this sort of power. Right? Like the, and like, so for example, no, I'm helping people by forcing everyone to wear masks. I'm helping people by requiring them to get vaccines. It's not for me. It's not because I'm scared, it's because we need to do this thing for the larger group, which is, it's funny because you're natural end to end, your natural propensity to wanna help your fellow man can be hijacked quite easily.

Jerod McDaniel [00:51:44] I can, I can tie, I can tie your packers and all that together. It's, it's, oh, I had it in my head for a second there. It's the way, man. I'm not gonna do a good job describing it. I'm gonna back off on that. You know, whenever, what I'm trying to say is the, is the way that we got to the point of needing a packing industry, okay. Is because we're too damn lazy to do ourself. Not, not lazy. It's like, it's easier for me and I'll just be honest, you know, it's easier for me to raise the animals, take 'em to this point, and then, and then somebody else do the dirty work of killing and putting them in a package and, and, and, and selling them. Okay. We as humans, it was just a lot easier to be like, well, fuck, I don't wanna go deal with that dirty homeless dude. But now if I get, if I pay my taxes and the state does it, they're doing my dirty work and I don't, and I don't have to, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's they American humans. Yeah. I mean, have gotten of the point, like, we don't wanna deal with the, with the reality of, of the poor and the sick and the, and the, and the downtrodden because it's just, it's that kind of ugly, it might harsh my vibe today. And I, I really feel like I need to get my, my stuff going. And like everybody, everybody's so consumed that they're like, but we, somebody takes care of that. We, we pay taxes. So someone takes care of that for us, right? It's deferred responsibility just in the same way that the, the producers have deferred responsibility of packing and, and the nasty, you know, it's not pleasant to kill an animal and cut it up in little pieces.

Jerod McDaniel [00:53:19] That's some nasty shit. We've all decided that we're just gonna let someone else do it. You know what? It's nasty to go out and hang out with the, with the lepers and the prostitutes and the people of the downtrodden. But you know what? Somebody has to go do it. It's the same thing Jesus taught, right?

Vance Crowe [00:53:32] Yeah. I think, I think in your point about Christianity, but what we out

Jerod McDaniel [00:53:34] For Christianity to the state,

Vance Crowe [00:53:37] I mean, I think that one of the great insights that I read through reading this guy named Renee Gerard, he talks about Christianity kind of from an like an outsider's perspective. One of the big things in Christianity is the, is the abolishment of the mob, right? It's the, it's the, maybe the admonishment of the mob, right? Because humans' natural tendency is to join up with a group of people that are saying, that's the clear reason this thing is happening. This is the obvious solution for how we should stop it, which is typically stone this person or banish them, do whatever. And once that person is gone, then we all feel better. But Christianity came and said, ah, ah, ah, you are not to participate in the mob. And you could do everything from, from the he who is without sin cast the first stone. But it also is the story of, of Easter, right? When, when Peter denies that he was a follower of Jesus three times, it's because he wanted to be a part of the mob. So even the cornerstone guy to Jesus wanted to be seen by the, by the group as a part of them and what they're into. And oh no, I'm not with Jesus of Nazareth. And so you start to realize that the real indication of Christianity is don't be a part of the mob

Jerod McDaniel [00:54:54] Or as an individual collectively be a mob that works for better than anything else.

Vance Crowe [00:55:01] What do you mean?

Jerod McDaniel [00:55:03] I mean, okay, it it, it's almost like the concept of God in itself is, is God a monolithic one un You know, like is it just this ball in the sky that everybody is like, okay, that's God, we worship it, right? Or is God humanity itself in that, in that, you know, one of the, one of the teachings or if you want to, and you know, it's the teaching, I'm just speaking like again in generalities, but you know, one of the overriding themes I think of Christianity is, is you take care of yourself and then also you take care of like your family, you take care of your community. You know, I, and again, very generally speaking, but it's, it's, it's, it's on the individual and their relationship with God. Well, okay, you, you say, how is God real? Well, why do we save orphans? Why do we have, why do we have places set up for people that are down Trump? Why? I mean, in, in a sense, the church, a church in a, in a small town or a church in a community, as if it's properly functioning. And if somebody's sick, what do you do? You pray for 'em, okay. Or you, you take 'em food, you show action, you show actual the movement, the thought, the thought of Christianity creates groups of people that then go to this person who is sick or somebody that might need help or you, you know, they go take care of them. That's God. That's, that's God. That's the, it's the thought, the process of we as a group, as individuals, an individual of a person, like each person individually in their relationship with God, which God might as well be your neighbor.

Jerod McDaniel [00:56:35] God is you, God is everything around us. But the point is, is that the decentralized nature of God in itself just is right there. It's, it's, no, I'm not saying this in the right way. It's, it's not something to be aspired to. It's like humanity takes care of itself and that is God. Does that make sense? But it, but it, that is only possible with functioning individuals as pieces of, of the society. So like you, when you say that, like the mob rules, because they are like, they wanna be seen as that. Again, back to the cattle analogy. Yeah. How, how do I control cattle? I, I feed a couple of, I feed 'em cake all the time. I feed 'em and I say cake, that's actually range protein. That's something that tastes good to 'em. It provides them nutrition. They, it, it's on a schedule. Like I'll show up and I'll honk the horn and they're like, Hey, it's cake guy. And they come running. I might as well be a Schwan's man and they love me and it's great. So I, I feed them, I keep them happy. And then, Hey guys, we're going over to this other pasture, honk, honk. And they guess what? They all follow me. 'cause they are like, Hey, that's the cake guy. And they're yelling at their buddies, Moo, Hey, come over here. It's a cake guy. And they all run. And when they go in there, I dump the cake and I turn around and I drive right back down. I look at 'em and I inspect 'em and I'm checking 'em out, making sure there's nothing that I need to take care of. And then I, I close the gate, I go on about my business of living my life that they're, that they provide for me and, and, and shit, man, look at everyone, everyone of these stimulus bills was just a box of cake that they were driving around, putting people in, putting people where they wanted to be here.

Jerod McDaniel [00:58:13] Oh, hey, you guys are, oh, your look, hey, I'll be back tomorrow. Some more cake. Don't, don't bust out these fences. And you know what, you know what I do with cows that are a real problem? 'cause I do have those. And I, and I do appreciate 'em because I shit man, I'm one of them because

Vance Crowe [00:58:26] That's you.

Jerod McDaniel [00:58:26] That's me. You know? I get it. I really do. Man. You know what, the motherfuckers that have been through some shit that, that, that I have tussled with, like, we, for whatever reason, like cattle member people, I don't remember people, I remember them like, they got numbers. Hey, what's up? You know? And, and we look at each other and she throws her head up and she's like, I ain't going through that gate. And I'm like, oh, I guess we're gonna find out. And, and we battle. And sometimes they lose and sometimes they go to slaughter and sometimes they win. Sometimes it's like bitches over there. Now you know why? Because it, it, she's the in-transit man minority within that pasture. And, and, and guess what? She, it doesn't cat it doesn't matter. 'cause you can have it, you can have an in-transit minority and they get, they get subdued executed or removed. And you know why? Because you don't want 'em to fuck up the rest of the herd. Man, we need all, yeah,

Vance Crowe [00:59:10] That's right. I mean, reason, this is

Jerod McDaniel [00:59:12] Interesting. You've made me, we need all of them to be compliant

Vance Crowe [00:59:15] You. That's really interesting because I'd never really thought about the second layer of the intransigent minority, which is if, if the people that have actual power don't want the intransigent minority, then they've taken a risk by getting up there. So the, for anybody that doesn't know, we talk about the intransigent minority all the time, which is you can have a small group of people that they just will not go along with what everybody wants. They, they have a totally different way of thinking and it so they, and they won't accept some other alternative solutions. So they fight and fight and fight. And eventually, a lot of times, so like the anti GMO movement or you could think about a lot of movements where Hong Kong, you think that culture changes by, oh, slowly groups of people decide they want something different. But in reality it's that there's one group of people that believe something so fervently that eventually society gives in and, and takes on what they're saying. But if they don't, if the powers that be see the intransigent minority coming up and they say, we don't want culture going that way, then those people are definitely called out and, and pushed out of society so that they can't be intransigent anymore.

Jerod McDaniel [01:00:26] So you might even do something like in enact emergency powers and then start to remove like people's funds that, that we're protesting against maybe something that you didn't agree with. Like you would take almost extremely measures that have never been taken before in the history of a country. And then like five days later, back 'em off after your thugs beat the shit outta some people that maybe you didn't agree with. So I, yeah, Vince, I don't know when that would happen in reality, in, in modern day stuff, you know, anytime, anytime that might, that, that might apply.

Vance Crowe [01:00:55] So what do you think people should be doing right now? You, you, you are very independent.

Jerod McDaniel [01:00:59] I, I think, I think they should just keep right on honking, man. Just keep right on honking. Just, just because it's not my job to tell 'em what to do. My job is to be out here and be me. I hope is that, that, that somebody says, you know what, maybe that's not, that's not a bad idea. Maybe I should just go be me. Because I think, I think, I think people should genuinely take a moment and, and, and take inventory of where they're at and, and what they're doing and why they're doing it. I think if you really, because, 'cause they're gonna have to answer a lot of real tough questions before they get to the point of like, soul searching. And, and we need to have a philosophical discussion about moralities of a government. I mean, if their own life is fucked up, then you're, you're talking to, you're not, you're not having a discussion that matters. So, you know, people get their personal affairs and orders. You start there and then start to, you know, I mean, hell if, if anything, yeah,

Vance Crowe [01:01:53] That's true. I mean, if you're focused on the world's problems before you've got a good relationship with your wife or your kids don't respect you or something like, there's no no reason to even look at Twitter at that point because the most valuable thing is in your home. And yeah, it's,

Jerod McDaniel [01:02:08] It, it always is. It never has been. It had, that hasn't changed. In fact, it, one of the things I'm most grateful for, for the whole pandemic, and I, and I genuinely mean this is, it is, it is, it gave me a true appreciation for where I live. Like I, I mean I've always loved, I've always liked it, but man, you talk about some real like juxtapositions of society. When I when I, when I, when I've sat here and just for two years, man, just watched, watched it unfold and, and athletics with kids, how we treated our kids. And like during 2020, we played football the entire year and went into the playoffs and throughout the country, so many kids, they weren't allowed to, to play a sport. But, but man, I'm fucking proud as hell that we, that our kids played the entire season that we went to school, that we came back. This, you know, that my daughter, oh man, it was great it all on Twitter. My daughter, my daughter was in high. My oldest daughter is a, is a freshman in college now. When she, when she came home and all of her kids came home from school in March, it was wonderful. It was the greatest thing ever. We spent from March to August, we had a boy, man, we took, I had my two oldest kids and we were, we were in a drought. We, we flat out fucking moved cattle and ranched. It was as close to homeschooling as I think I'd ever could get. But we basically just flat out lived and we existed little house in the prairie, man. It was like lockdown. Where ain't going nowhere. We're, and we're in a drought, kids, and we got a bunch of hay. We're gonna, we're gonna bail hay, we're gonna feed. We had a good old fashioned like ranching home vacation.

Jerod McDaniel [01:03:40] And when you, when you're, when you get left out here in the, in the middle of nowhere with, with, when they're say, okay, we're taking back the world, you can't come to the cities. You can't have, you can't have the stuff that we promised you that you're gonna have if you stay out there and work and do all that crap. 'cause it's on in the city. You can get it whenever you want time out, you can't get it anymore. You start to say, well, what do we have of our own? And you really look around and you say, man, it's scary. 'cause we got a lot of really cool shit. We got a lot of really cool shit that has just been just, just ignored. And, and I say that, you know, as a person who has lived here my entire life, and I've, you know, I'm part of it, man, I've, I actively not just, you know, money was spent going to vacation elsewhere. You were going to do things other places like you, you worked here, but you, it was always to go do things everywhere else. And that's kinda messed up because why, why, you know, when you really get, have a, a heart to heart moment, you think, well, why don't we just do it here? Why don't we have a, a badass awesome place to, to congregate, to, to celebrate to, because anymore, and, and man, if you're in the city and you and you don't like it, there's billions of places all across the country that are just, just left a abandoned, I mean, my wife and I so's talk about my

Vance Crowe [01:04:57] I's done. Yeah. You've been building into your town. Like, so you got Texa there and you started, actually,

Jerod McDaniel [01:05:03] I love how you say Texa, it always drives me. It, it's texoma. You, you put the A in it must be in like a, a

Vance Crowe [01:05:08] Texoma. Okay, I didn't know that.

Jerod McDaniel [01:05:10] Yeah, I've, I've been meaning to cry. I think I correct you, but you're, you just, it's, it's in your nature, man. Tex, see drop the a You gotta go slang. Oma

Vance Crowe [01:05:20] Oma.

Jerod McDaniel [01:05:20] There you go.

Vance Crowe [01:05:20] I like that better. That sounds better. Seems more independent.

Jerod McDaniel [01:05:23] Yeah. That's why we've been doing it that way

Vance Crowe [01:05:25] In that, in that area, you've started buying buildings and started renovating and started doing, I mean, I've saw the pictures for quite a while. What's, what's going on now? Where are you at with that project?

Jerod McDaniel [01:05:37] Okay, well the, the first project I guess is that we started, you know, years ago was the, the little building that we're broadcasting from right now. It's just, we call it the studio, the office. It's just, it's a little bitty man. It's a maybe 50 by 20. You know, it's just a, a little building that's in some small town that would otherwise be just driven by, you know, just, it, it's like, because so many downtowns in rural America are abandoned, it's, it's, it's more shocking to see, see one open than it is to see them all close.

Vance Crowe [01:06:06] Yeah, that's right. And there, but when you do see one open, it's a magnet. You're like, what's going on here? Why is there so much electricity here? Right? Why? But why

Jerod McDaniel [01:06:13] Is there any, but think about it, what the, the, my, this little building part of it was fueled by the podcast, which had nothing to do with this area, ironically, but it had everything to do with it because it was, you know, it was, I I ended up talking about the values and things of this area inadvertently just because of I live here, but, but for the majority, the, the building doors were opened by things outside of this area. And so you okay, conceptually go with me on this. You know, we, the area regions with very productive resources, let's just say farming, ranching, help, coal, mining, logging, any kind of resource that's exported, these regions are typically very rich in resources, which are worth a lot of money. But over the course of however many last century, what we've done is we've decided that we're gonna put the emphasis on the cultural centers of cities. And then these outposts, these satellites that are like, that are essentially like roots of our society. We're just gonna leave those roots out there. We've already established roots, we've got roads, we've got trains, the roots are made. We're just gonna let them feed on that soil with the soil being like the, you know, the rest of the United States and those roots, the tra you know, everything, everything goes into and it feeds population. Okay, well, just like any plant, you know, when the roots start, if you don't make new roots and you just keep using the old ones, you know, eventually that shit's gonna wear out or, or trees die, you know, like things, again, back to the, you don't make the investment in the necessary things because you're putting them in ethereal, artsy, you know, like, we're gonna build a 800, we're, okay, I'll give you a perfect example.

Jerod McDaniel [01:07:53] We're gonna build a $200 million stadium in this town. Whatever, you know, fuck have ball games, great. Everybody's wonderful. We have, you know, and it makes money. You can justify Yeah, we've

Vance Crowe [01:08:03] Got that here. They're building a gigantic soccer stadium here, right? I, I've never been, I've been a soccer game once, but I mean like, or

Jerod McDaniel [01:08:10] You, millions

Vance Crowe [01:08:11] And millions of dollars going into it as an investment imagining that there'll be, be millions and millions of dollars brought back as revenue.

Jerod McDaniel [01:08:17] Okay? Or what if you took 200 million in, in general terms and dispersed that amongst 20 $10 million elevators that would last for the next a hundred years. And, and serve a purpose as in collecting grain and doing things other than just for, you know, for ethereal spectators. Like, you know, you're not, you're not feeding anybody in that Colosseum, you're not, you're not doing anything of a substantial matter of like, of actual physical substance. You're, you're entertaining, which keeps people placated, which is n is nice, but, but you can get, I mean the Aztecs built some badass like, you know, structures with a bunch of sacrificed heads, but like they're, they're not still here,

Vance Crowe [01:08:58] Right? So Jared, I, I don't know if I told you this 'cause we, we haven't talked in a while, but I was actually invited to be a, a fellow at the Center for Peace and Conflict Studies. And the reason they reached out to me was they said, we have all these people focused on international issues, you know, what's going on between, you know, Russia and the Ukraine, right? And they have, so they have scholars on that, but they, they very, I think wisely pointed out, we don't have anybody looking at the conflict that's going on between rural and urban America. And so they invited me to come in. I'll, I'll have a chance to write some papers, I'll probably write some articles. If you were gonna tell me, hey, this is the advice I have for you on helping people in urban environments that are trying, trying to understand why there is this divide between rural and urban America. What do you think would be the first place or first thing to articulate to people that don't really understand what's going on out in the countryside?

Jerod McDaniel [01:10:05] I'd say you have to reverse the culture flow. If you look at how everything has been, again, back to what I was saying earlier, resources, not only resources, but culturally every, everybody's been focused solely on like, shit, man, I bet you, I bet, I bet I can go to anybody in this town. They could probably tell you did the halftime of the Super Bowl, right?

Vance Crowe [01:10:26] Yeah. The problem

Jerod McDaniel [01:10:26] Is why does, why, why do in my town, why, why does that matter? Like why does that matter to us here? Other than it's just like, it's cool, it's conversation, but we're talking about stuff that happens somewhere else that has no bearing on anything. Like physically in our world, it doesn't, it doesn't hold our kids at night. It doesn't feed them, it doesn't keep 'em warm. It doesn't keep their football games going. It doesn't fight off the oppression of coming down the pipe. It doesn't do any of those things. It just, it just exists to fuck. It's kinda like TV man. It's just something to keep people dumb. I mean, it's just, it's, and, and, and, okay, if you're in a crowd and you, and, and I've been there, man, I've been in stadiums whenever like the touchdown score does, like, and it's like, hell yeah dude, that's a, that's a livid experience. Concerts the same way. Concerts, man, you can get caught up in the like that, that, that, that, that craziness of, of power and moment ex it also exists in nature. I mean, When you're, you're in the mosh pit of loading cattle in it and, and or kicking the shit out of you. And then like, that's real man. That's all the adventure I need. I got, I got plenty of it. I got, I step in, I could, and I'm not just saying it's about cattle, but like, people live lives of real danger and risk, like in blue collar society, I think, I think there's very much like guys I know go out every day and they'll play around natural gas wells, you know, it's, and and they're safe and they're, and they're not gonna get blown up.

Jerod McDaniel [01:12:03] But like, yeah, people die, you know, and shit. Where one of the biggest things I don't, I don't think, I think in, in a lot of urban, like it's so insulated and so safe and so buffered and bandaided that like, they don't have, there's no, so the rural urban divide is like, they're two different people. And so get the, get the people who have been the focus of the attention. Oh, turn around. Why don't you look back that way? Come out, come out to places like what we're doing with like a talk about the buildings. You know what I'm gonna, we're gonna put something together and it's really not to get people from other areas to here. It's we're building it for our community or re rehabbing it for us to use. Now if someone else sees that and they wanna come out and drive by and look and be like, oh, what are these guys doing? Then they might have, then there might be an idea of like their understanding of, of our culture. Because I don't think there needs to be any more of like us going into the city. We've been doing that for a hundred years, right? Like what, yeah, what do I need? Do I need to know about

Vance Crowe [01:12:59] The thing that I, that strikes me is I had been kind of coaxed into the narrative that the, not only do you wanna be in urban centers, but to be in an urban center that's oriented towards the international scene. So getting from getting to New York or Washington DC then, then you could finally start living the real life that you see on TV and that you know about. And one of the things that happened when I finally got to the World Bank and, and I didn't just get into the World Bank, I was at the highest level of leadership. I got to be a part of planning these meetings and sitting in on them. And I realized when I was there, you don't mean anything. You're entirely replaceable. And I compare that to say the Ring brothers who instead of trying to get into Washington DC stayed on their farm and worked on things. One works with, you know, the electrical, getting generators to work and one's focused on cattle. They never had a day where their work didn't matter. Whereas I went two years where anything I did may maybe got like checklists done, but in effect, you know, almost meaningless. And I think the people living in the city feel deeply a sense of void about the, the fact that they are non-essential, but have no way of understanding what is the perspective of somebody that stayed essential, not just their whole lives, but for generations. I think that that is one of the big divides that is like conceptually or culturally makes them, like you said, different people in some profound way.

Jerod McDaniel [01:14:38] Well, I mean it's basically if you, if you want to go even qua, you could say that the reality split in 1900 or 19, you know, like, and for the, for the people that stayed like in rural America or you know, families and, and even the ones that are coming in from other countries that are assimilating into those rural areas, and the reason they're assimilating into rural areas is 'cause that's where all the meat, you know, the, the nasty shit people don't want meat packing house in, in urban area. That's why they left those, you know what they don't want? They don't want windmills 'cause they're all the fuck out here. You know what else? They don't want natural gas wells. They don't want irrigation. They don't, they don't want, they want corporate hog farming. But guess what we have, we have all of that. We have everything that we, we, and I say we and I just say we collectively as like, and I'm speaking

Vance Crowe [01:15:26] Oklahoma. Yeah,

Jerod McDaniel [01:15:26] Well not just Oklahoma, I mean, but that, that's true for Iowa, it's true for Illinois, it's true for Ohio, which pretty much,

Vance Crowe [01:15:34] But Oklahoma is, Oklahoma is definitely different. So I have a chance to go all over the United States. I've been to the urban populations and now for the last seven years I've traveled around to the rural population. I can tell you, you land in Oklahoma and your Uber driver is telling you about the land of the free and why they, why, you know, like why it's good here and they don't have regulations. Oklahoma is a very different place and it's probably because there's very little cultural mimetic desire to be there. Nobody gets status by living in the, in, in, in the panhandle of Oklahoma. And so they're, they're not do a part of the status game that you were talking about. And it, it's until they do different mentality

Jerod McDaniel [01:16:17] Until they do You said like there, there's no part of that. The, the the people, like you said, there's, we exist because no one wants to be here until they do. I mean, the, the point is, is that it's, I can show you pictures and I, and I will, when when you, when you, when you're out here, I'm, and it comes see the building, you know, I'm gonna show you some cool shit we're doing as far as like the histor, the history of it and, and kind of putting it together. But man, I came across pictures, it's really cool. You see in 19 whatever, 1910, you look down, the picture was taken from the top of the buildings downtown and it shows Main Street and there's literally, I don't know, man, 300 people it's lined with combines it, you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of like the, the conventions where you go go and there's farm equipment everywhere. They basically had that downtown and that was com that was pretty commonplace. Like, oh, the farm equipment people here and they're lining their shit up and everybody comes to town and you, that was a hundred years ago. So for a hundred years we've been just kind of laissez-faire. Oh, just, we're just, we're just, we're we're outsourcing our culture. And then, and it hasn't been the outsource from like day one in, in 1900 you stop doing this. It's gradual over time. And so for the last, from from 1900 whenever this place was founded, this area to today a hundred and some 20 years, you gradually just kind of whittled away, whittled away. And because the mindset is like you, you, you grow up and you move away, you grow up and you move away because there's always something else.

Jerod McDaniel [01:17:51] The last two years in my, in my mind, the cultural, the cultural flow has already shifted. It's just people don't see the flow yet. Because you, yourself, you said you're looking like you for two years. You're like, what the hell? I mean, if anything, you're looking for a purpose or, or like a, a point behind like the madness. And man, I wake up every day. I got, I got purpose and point running out my ears and ass and everything sideways. And I, and I love it. I, and I can be, I'm free to, to run, to be healthy, to to be left the fuck alone man. And, and to not to just be me. And I've, and I've been doing it the whole time watching other people not be able to, and that's, and, and that, that didn't happen just because of the pandemic that's been here the entire time. That's how it's always been. We just haven't seen it because all 'cause everybody's like, we just focused on something else.

Vance Crowe [01:18:44] So we're gonna wrap up, but I have a a final question for you, which is when you gonna bring your podcast back, man,

Jerod McDaniel [01:18:53] I, you know, I, it it is, it's something I really enjoy doing, but, and I, and I had this conversation, I was actually on the podcast. I'm, I'm doing more podcasts than I did before. I think I finally, people just gave up and said, fuck it, we gotta talk to him, it's gonna come back. But right now I'm down to my last employee left in March of 21.

Vance Crowe [01:19:16] Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

Jerod McDaniel [01:19:18] Yeah. That is the last guy. Like, i, I, one time I had four or five employees and, and, and it's not his fault, it was just older man. And he said, look, I just can't keep doing cattle and farming. And I'm like, well, I can't, I can't do it. Like I need someone to do both of 'em. And you know, it was an amicable thing, but, but being what it is, and I've got kids that are older and, and we just said, we're gonna, you know, I'm gonna be the, the the one here all the time. And then wife and kids and you know, friends of it to come help. I just hire help and, and, and bring in people or, or Julie and I do it or you know, we just, we truly went back to just straight up, it's just us and, and whatever we bring in, we don't no more, no more employees, none of that. And it's a very fulfilling life. It's wonderful, fulfilling, but you know, sacrifices have be made. And, and I love the podcast, but man, if it means that I can't because, 'cause in order to do the work it takes, it takes this much time. It is, there's only so much me to go around. And then the time that I don't have, it's dedicated to, you know, hanging out with the family, going to six kids and, and one in college and there four days a week I have basketball, you know, like during certain seasons we have basketball Monday, Tuesday Church on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. So Saturday it's like, oh, we're gonna hang out as a family. So if I'm like, Hey guys, we did shit all week, but I'm gonna go podcast real quick. You know, that, that ain't cool. I mean, I mean it's not, it's nothing against, it's not that I don't want to do it. It's like that's just not part of my reality right now. And and it hadn't gone away. I'll, I'll do it again. You know? Now I'm doing it right now and, and honestly I'm kind of glad that it kind of took a pause and, and had a hiatus because it's, it's gonna be interesting when I do fire it back up, I think it's gonna be a completely different animal.

Jerod McDaniel [01:20:58] You know, I, I don't, it's just, well, I can

Vance Crowe [01:21:01] Say that you, you're exactly who you say you are and I think that that's a rare thing. So whether you're a guest on podcasts or, or you run your own, I think it's, I think it is important because while I find myself, you know, arguing with everything you say and, and you know, finding that the way you say it is so grading. I also find that you make me grapple with things that are way outside of the bubble that I'm in. And I'm, I really, so if you don't have time to do a podcast, then we can keep for listeners that don't know, we got up at, you know, four something in the morning to be able to do this and I'd do it again tomorrow. So,

Jerod McDaniel [01:21:37] Hey, you know, that's, that's the thing is that you find time for the things you, you know, that you that truly matter. And, and, and I enjoy. That's the thing, man. I, I enjoy like hell talking to you and, and I'll get up all day long, okay, four 30, fuck it. You know what, as opposed to what, sleeping for two hours and, and 10 years from now I can look back and we can enjoy this conversation. I don't remember shit of a dream that I had, but, and, and you know, something people may not realize is that, you know, you and I have breathed the same air. Literally, we, and man, I can't keep, I, this comes back to me a lot because we literally right on the heels of this pandemic, you, me and Dwayne Va, we went international and did a fucking podcast in

Vance Crowe [01:22:17] Canada Yeah. At a cattle show in Canada. One of the biggest cattle shows in there. Yeah.

Jerod McDaniel [01:22:20] People might know this. In November of 2000 is 19, right? Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. November of 19, right before Thanksgiving. Me, you and, and Dwayne, or Dwayne, you and I, however you saying it, you can just correct whatever. We all went up to a livestock show and did a podcast and then flew the fuck home and shortly thereafter, the world shut down. And I would fuck that man. I wouldn't go back to Canada until they have a regime change. Fuck that place, man. I love you Canadians, and well, God bless you guys, man. You're my brothers. But you guys need to chuck that fucker up there. I would, I won't go back to Canada. I mean, I love it. But that's insane. 'cause that was right before this happened. You and I were on a trip together.

Vance Crowe [01:22:59] Yeah. I I went up to Canada one time after we went to aggravation, and I heard a speaker that spoke after, before me who stood up in front of the crowd and said, Alberta, your only way out of this, of the regime of being controlled by Ottawa is to become the 51st state of the United States. And I remember thinking this guy was completely insane for saying that. And, and I thought, one, I thought he was gonna get booed, but two, I thought like, wow, that, you know, why would the Canadians ever want that? And fast forward two years later and you're like, ah, I see, but

Jerod McDaniel [01:23:35] And turns out he's right.

Vance Crowe [01:23:36] Yeah, yeah. But man, let's, let's do this again. I you, you can come on anytime, man. So thank you so much for getting on here.

Jerod McDaniel [01:23:45] Yeah, thanks for having me this morning, man. It's been, it's been fun. And, and here's the deal. We, we could go on for probably another two days nonstop. And, and, and it's great because I, you know what, and I value our friendship because it's one thing just like, man, the same way you offer me a portal into something I don't understand. And I know that whenever you tell me something like, you're not bullshitting me, man, and, and I'm hearing it like directly and you're giving me the perspective that maybe I, eh, same way. Maybe I don't wanna hear it, but I mean, and I know,

Vance Crowe [01:24:13] I mean, I think I fight with you like a, like I would a brother, right? Where I'm like, I know why that fucker thinks that, and this is why he's wrong and da da da da. Yeah. But like, you gotta have arguments like that. If you avoid having the sort of conflict that you and I have, then you just aren't grappling with new ideas. Yeah.

Jerod McDaniel [01:24:29] And I understand that you'll eventually know that I'm right and I'm told

Vance Crowe [01:24:32] With that, you know what, I, I hope everything that you've made decisions about, you know, works out good. I think it is. And I think we can all learn from it. So, well,

Jerod McDaniel [01:24:42] I'm, I'm, I I'm ready. I'm ready for you. Your, the next step is you gotta cut, get your ass out here and bring and bring all your babies and everybody, and we're gonna come out here and we're gonna have, have a good time, man.

Vance Crowe [01:24:51] Amen. All right, thanks Jared.

Jerod McDaniel [01:24:53] All right. See ya.