Trump Directs Tariff Revenue to Farmers as Argentina Bailout Undercuts US Soybeans

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Vance Crowe [00:00:57] Report begins in 3, 2, 1. Let's begin. Welcome to the Ag Tribes report. I'm your host, Vance Crow. Each week I bring on a new co-host that represents one of the many ag tribes throughout us and Canadian agriculture. This week I have my friend and fellow board member Glen Cope, who is a, a fourth generation cow calf operator in southwest Missouri, otherwise known as the Ozarks. Glen is not only on FCS financial, but he is also on the board of MFA oil, and I have gotten to know Glen and highly respect him and am really excited that he decided to come on. So welcome to the show, Glen

Glen Cope [00:01:41] Vance. Great to be on. Thanks for having me.

Vance Crowe [00:01:43] So what have you been paying attention to lately?

Glen Cope [00:01:47] Well, lots going on. I think in the, in the ag world, particularly with the new administration, I think trumps to a lot of things, particularly in the tariff realm that has got some farmers concerned. And, you know, some people have a lot of concerns with the tariff, but you know, I I, we've had this huge trade deficit with all these countries that we've propped up forever and we've gotta balance that somehow. And Trump's solution to that is to do these tariffs. And yeah, it seems like agriculture more than any other industry suffered as a result. But, you know, farmers are pretty patriotic people and we've, we've kind of took it on the chin with that, but also Vance, there's been a lot of production in, in the row crop sector of the business. You know, it seems like farmers can't stand prosperity. So two or three, four years ago when corn was $7, we, we high prices cure high prices and the droughts that we've had the last few years have not seemed to really diminish yields overall technology, genetics, just farmers' resiliency it seems like, has just kind of played into that. And so, you know, it seems like, you know, when I was a kid, I, I remember Bill Clinton and one of his state of the Union speeches talked about how we needed to buy more of our things from China because if we supported China they, and propped up their economy, they would move away from communism. Well, that hasn't happened.

Glen Cope [00:03:18] And it seems like China more than ever, is more of our adversary. You know, what they're doing with their military, what they're doing in the South China Sea. It's caused a lot of concern. And Trump's wanting more stuff produced here in the US and, and his, again, his answer has been tariffs. And I don't know if that's, I, I don't have the silver bullet, but it seems like he's trying to move the needle in that direction. And obviously that's been a concern for pricing.

Vance Crowe [00:03:47] Well, we have got a lot to talk about in particular around tariffs and President Trump. So tonight what we're going to dive into is President Trump directing tariff revenues to support farmers hit by trade disputes. We're also gonna talk about the US bailout of Argentina leading to cheap soybean exports and undercutting American producers. We're also gonna talk about the new world screw worm, which is getting a lot closer to the US border. And finally, we're gonna talk about the government shutdown disruptions to things like USDA services. We're also going to talk about the Bitcoin land price report. We're gonna hear Glenn's take on the Peter Thiel paradox, and we'll also hear about his worthy adversary. And we're gonna try and do that in just 30 minutes. But before we get started, I did want to have a, a moment to recognize the work of Ryan White House. Ryan was a member of the Illinois Farm Bureau. I knew Ryan for more than 10 years, and it was a shock to me late last week when I found out that he had passed away. Ryan was a, a member of the Farm Bureau community in Illinois, and he was one of those people that if you met him, even if you didn't know anything at all about agriculture, you were welcomed in. He wanted to hear what you had to say. He had all sorts of great counterpoints and wanted to discuss. And I, I, I just, I'm devastated by the loss of Ryan. I know his family is from normal Illinois. It's just, just outside of where I grew up.

Vance Crowe [00:05:18] And I wanted to mention him and, and honor his memory. So let's get started with story number one. Donald Trump directs tariff revenues to bail out soybean farmers amid the trade war. On October 1st, president Trump announced that he would use revenue from tariffs to provide substantial support for American farmers, particularly soybean producers affected by China's reduced purchases in a truth. Social post, Trump blamed China for using US farmers as pawns in the trade negotiating, noting China's failure to meet soybean import commitments. Treasury Secretary Scott descent confirmed aid announcements soon emphasizing Trump's backing for farmers who supported him. This comes as US soybean exports to China have halved in early 2025 with farmers facing low prices around $10 and 50 cents a bushel and storage issues. So this became a hot issue on X when I came out and said, Hey, I'm not so sure that tariff payments are gonna help farmers as much as they think it is. It's gonna make prices go up. But what do you think Glenn, should Donald Trump be offering the, some of these tariffs to soybean farmers to compensate for the loss they've had in the straight war?

Glen Cope [00:06:31] Well, farmers have taken kind of on the nose from the tariffs obviously, and there's, he's talked about all the revenues that the US has had as a result of the tariffs. And I think China has kinda had some give and take with us trying to, trying to, even the playing field by what, just a couple years ago we were sending 10 to 15% of our soybeans here in the US to China. Now it's zero, essentially. So yeah, absolutely, these tariff revenues need to be going to farmers. It won't make them whole, but maybe it'll help them kinda keep the lenders at bay in the, in the short term. 'cause you know, this is, this is a challenge is I, you see a lot of these farmers, particularly in eastern Arkansas that are just really struggling to, to keep the farm afloat. And obviously we've had an overproduction the last few years, we've got over supply, but certainly the tariffs have played into that. So yeah, we've gotta send a to these farmers.

Vance Crowe [00:07:35] Yeah, I mean I, I definitely feel for farmers who, like, if you get 10, 15% of your market just cut out right out from underneath you, and the Chinese it appears are trying to use the, the fact that so much farmer support is under Donald Trump. If you just stop buying soybeans, you can maybe crack the, the back there. So it makes sense to me that Trump wants to do this, but man, oh man, pumping more money into the farm economy, whether it's through tariffs or through the printing of money, seems like it's going to continue to do the things that farmers are suffering under right now, which is high input prices, the price of everything, tractors, fertilizer, labor, everything is going up. Seems like this will only exacerbate that.

Glen Cope [00:08:23] Absolutely. You know, if there is a little bit of constellation prize. Finally, the Senate has confirmed a fellow Missourian, Richard Cordice as USD Anders Secretary for farm production and Conservation. Richard's a good friend of mine and he lives it every day. He, he's corn and soybean producer and he raises cattle like myself. And so he gets it. But now that the government shut down, getting those payments out is gonna be a challenge. But, you know, president Trump chose a good one when he put that guy in in charge of undersecretary for farm production conservation. Richard, Richard would do a good job and he knows what farmers are going through and I hope that, I hope there's some light at the end of the tunnel.

Vance Crowe [00:09:11] Yeah, I, I personally like that Richard Fordice is from Missouri. I've met Richard, but I like it because Missouri is such a, a diverse state, right? You have the one third is, is row crops, one third is mostly cattle, but also poultry, you know, the livestock. And then a full third is ag businesses. And so somebody coming from that background is gonna have a big wide open picture of what the agriculture system is really like. And what do you need to do in order to keep farmers going?

Glen Cope [00:09:45] Absolutely. You know, Vance, I, I'm strictly in the cattle business, so a lot of this I don't understand in terms of, of government payments for, for those guys. But, you know, farmers don't wanna farm for, for, for government check. They want to, they wanna produce according to the market. And, and we've come up a lot against a lot of challenges of late and you know, in the cattle business we've had it pretty good, especially the last six months. And in fact, it's probably as good as it's ever been and we can't believe what these feeder cattle prices have been. But my heart goes out to these row crop guys that are really strong. Now

Vance Crowe [00:10:26] You can tell just by the way conversations are happening on X, that people are more stressed than they've ever been. It's, it's definitely something I hope clears up, but I don't know how quick that'll happen. Alright, moving on to story number two. $20 billion bailout to Argentina Sparks soybean export surge and undercutting American farmers. In late September, the US approved a $20 billion bailout part package for Argentina amid its economic crisis, including a currency swap line from the Federal Reserve. Shortly after on September 26th, Argentina suspended its 26% export tax on soybeans enabling a cheap sale to China. Over 1 million tons booked immediately with 10 plus cargo shipped. This has fueled tensions as leaked tax from Treasury Secretary Scott Besson's reveal White House frustration over Argentina's move, which undercuts the US farmers already strained by trade wars and low prices. Democratic senators like Amy Buchar and Elizabeth Warren have called for halting aid, arguing that it harms American producers who lost market share to Brazil and now Argentina, US soybean exports to China dropped 29% in 2025, just like we were talking about. And basically everybody's saying it in instead of talking about these numbers, China, since the tariff war has not bought a single soybean, and now the very people that we're going to help out, they just shipped 10 cargoes to China. What do you think of this, Glen?

Glen Cope [00:11:59] Well, it, it seems like the US every time we try to help somebody, they, they turn around and stab us in the back. I remember South Korea several years ago wouldn't take any US beef because of Mad Cow or any li any little excuse. They re refuse to take us beef. And I got to thinking, you know, we've got American troops over there in South Korea protecting them from the North Korea because if we weren't there, the North Koreans would come across the border, take over South Korea. And here we are again helping out a country that is, is sort of stabbing us in the back and shipping all these beans to China that, that we ought to be shipping from us here ourselves. And so it's frustrating. It seems like this is just kind of par for the course though, so

Vance Crowe [00:12:49] Yeah, I mean, I don't have any sense. Is 1 million tons of soybeans, is that a lot for what China needs? Or is that not so much any idea?

Glen Cope [00:12:59] Well, I suspect it's a lot for Argentina now. I I I being a cattle guy, I'm not real familiar with all the numbers surrounding exports and, and China's demand, to me it sounds like a lot of, lot of bushels of beans vans. And so certainly that's something that could, could be helping out bolster the price of soybeans here domestically.

Vance Crowe [00:13:21] Yeah, and it certainly puts China in the, in the position where they don't, they, they have more leverage in the, in the conversation. You know, they can want to not buy soybeans, but if they want to keep producing pork and being able to provide the food staples for their own countrymen, they can't grow it themselves. If they can't get it from the US and they can't get it from our allies, then that means they're probably gonna come to the bargaining table a lot easier. So this does seem like it stings a little bit,

Glen Cope [00:13:45] You know, for years we didn't worry too much about Argentina bill in terms of production because their infrastructure, the roads to get their crop to market their, their shipping, everything was just way behind the times. And here of late, they've really come on board and they're, they're forced to be reckoned with. And certainly when China sees us as an adversary, they're gonna source as much of their commodities from, from South America.

Vance Crowe [00:14:15] You know, I was initially very excited about Javier Malay, the president of Argentina. I thought, hey, they're, they're getting rid of their socialist communist, you know, overlords and all of this corruption. But it was very, very quick into his tenure that he was a part of one of these cryptocurrency, you know, pump the price up way high and then sell it and then basically mocked people by being like, well, if you're dumb enough to buy it, then that's your problem. And me, any, anybody that touches something and like a cryptocurrency and deals with it without integrity, you should just assume that they will not deal with you with integrity on any other issue. And so I went from being a big fan of his libertarian chainsawing to not thinking very much of him. And it, it turns out this is probably the right perspective to have.

Glen Cope [00:15:00] Yeah, I agree.

Vance Crowe [00:15:03] All right, let's move on to story number three. This is one that probably hits a little close to home with you, Glen. We have been talking about new world screwworm for months now this is that small larvae that embeds its way into cattle if once it hatches it can fester and kill the cattle. It is a terrible situation. It's a problem that happened in the seventies and eighties, but we fought it back all the way to Columbia. But now it is back. And Glen, you are a cattle rancher. What is going on? What's the latest with this and where, where do you think we go from here,

Glen Cope [00:15:39] Lance? I don't know. You know, my dad is 74 and he talked about this thing back in the sixties growing up. He said it was awful. It any cow or staff that had a cut on them, this thing would just burrow into way down into the flesh. He said it was just extremely inhumane. And so, you know, us was able to eradicate that and we pushed it, I guess well into Central America, if not farther south. And they've kind of not been doing their job as far as keeping that thing at bay. And so I it's, it's 70 miles south of the line last reported and Vance, it's, I think it's a matter of time. It's not if or, but when we find that thing north of the border again, and I don't know what this, what the damage will be to the beef market initially, I think there'll be a shock factor that certainly will come into play. We're enjoying some record high cattle prices right now. And so we certainly don't want that to go away. But our bigger concern is what this is gonna do to the animal herd and what particularly it's gonna do to cattle business. And, you know, it, I guess they're working what the, how they treat this is they, they radiate fly larvae and flies and they release them out into the wild and they breed with female screwworm flies and they produce al eggs. And that eventually will cause it to go back south again and may advance it.

Glen Cope [00:17:15] It got me worried.

Vance Crowe [00:17:17] I mean, I, I think the everybody that's looked at it very close is worried apparently the FDA just recently conditionally approved dec comax ca injectables from Zoetis. And I know that Ivermectin is another way that they treat it, but I think that once it's in the United States, I was talking to some animal pharma guys and they said it is not, if it is when just like you and that, you know, this is gonna really scare people when they are seeing the imagery of it. There was that, that woman that had contracted New World Screwworm disease while she was traveling in Central America and came back to the United States and died. And it's not just that it will impact cattle, it can get into human beings and it is a brutal way to go.

Glen Cope [00:18:03] Yeah, absolutely. Again, we're enjoying some great cattle prices right now and it's been a long time coming and we're finally in the cattle business being able to build some equity. And so again, we can't stand prosperity very long in any segment of agriculture and seems like I, I hope that this is short-lived time will tell, maybe it's much a do about nothing, but in the short term it's, it's got folks concerned and we just gotta be on top of our game here to make, I think one way that cattlemen can kind of try to eradicate this, make sure we got a good pour on program that we make, that we, we put the products on the backside cattle to keep flies from even landing on them to begin with. That's, that's one way that we're gonna kind of counteract

Vance Crowe [00:18:55] Well, and another way to keep it out is to keep that border shut. I know they tried to do a thing, you know, once this was starting to go, they opened it and they shut it again. But let's just keep that thing shut. We can let American farmers sell American beef to Americans and, and if that keeps the price up, then I'd rather have that than new world screw worm flying around the us.

Glen Cope [00:19:16] Amen sir. And I tell you that's if they ever open the border back up, which will happen eventually, I think there'll be a wall of Mexican cattle that'll just come, come flooding across the border and we'll see prices take a hit I think. But in the meantime,

Vance Crowe [00:19:33] Well ranchers aren't gonna want this. The only pressure, the only way they're gonna get that pressure is if the packing houses to or consumers start throwing a fit about prices. I mean that's why we started importing eggs from Turkey and South Korea is 'cause people were so worried about that. But I think it's a a great time for farmers to be getting the word out that one of the thing, yes, cattle prices or beef prices are high, but a lot better than having new world screw worm here.

Glen Cope [00:19:58] Yeah. And we haven't seen a whole lot of pushback from consumers on high beef prices. Now Vance, I don't want beef prices, I don't want beef to be a luxury item. I don't want it to be like lobster or something, you know, where folks just buy it or on a, on a birthday or a or Christmas or something. But certainly beef prices are high. But in the meantime these are the levels we as beef producers kind of need them to be, to kind of make our payment and, and build some equity and have something to pass down to our kid.

Vance Crowe [00:20:33] Well make hay while there's sunshine as they say. Alright, moving on to story number four, government shutdown disrupts USDA services delaying farmer payment and aid. The US government shutdown began at midnight on September 30th due to funding lapses from partisan disputes severely impacting the USDA during peak harvest. Over 42,000 employees, half the workforce are furloughed closing most farm service agency offices and halting new loans, payments and data releases. Key disruptions include delayed 2 billion in halting new loan payments and oh in emergency commodity assistance, disaster aid for weather damaged crops and conservation reserve program reimbursements, exacerbating cash flow crises for farmers facing a 25% income drop loan processing stops stranding refinancing needs while research crop progress reports and organic certifications. All pause Glen, you are a good old American. That is a patriot, but I suspect you don't love government spending. So where are you at on government shutdowns?

Glen Cope [00:21:45] I don't mind 'em gov our government is our, the bureaucracy is absolutely loaded and, and needs to be cut. But having said that, that the timing for this from USDA and and the farmers that are suffering right now, the timing could not be worse. I mean, guys are a lot of row crop guys are at break even on or or below break even on, on what corn and soybean prices are and, and you know, s levels are what, 800 bucks a ton. Our, the input costs are just outta sight and I don't think we've experienced a lot of drought this year throughout the US but certainly there's pockets and, and so some of that emergency relief, if it's delayed at all, it's just gonna just add and compound to the problem that already exists.

Vance Crowe [00:22:38] You know, we, today's stories were a lot about a lot of the crises that are happening to agriculture right now. And I remember a, a mentor of mine telling me, you know, whenever you look back on history, the, there's usually like a very simplified, oversimplified version of what happened. It's this one thing that happened. But the truth is, if we look back on history and ag really does have a stutter step here and really have some challenges and, and maybe getting knocked down on its rear for a while, it's not gonna be just because of tariffs. It's gonna be tariffs. And our allies weren't on our team and our, the, the government shutting down and what farmers were expecting they couldn't do. It seems like there is a whole lot lined up against farmers right now.

Glen Cope [00:23:21] Yeah. And what this does Vance is, is just exacerbates consolidation in in farmland, you know, years and years ago it took several families to take care of a farm. Now it takes several farms to take care of a family in terms of, of what the return is per acre. And so, you know, you've got these private equity groups that are gobbling up this farmland and, and 'cause they've got the capital to do it. And anytime that we see a really challenging economic situation approach, again, we see more consolidation of farmland and that breaks apart because I I I like to see small farms be able to make it and, and just anymore it just takes more, more acres. That's, that's, that's a sad reality of it.

Vance Crowe [00:24:16] Well it is, it is a rough time out there. That is gonna do it for our news stories today. Moving on to the Bitcoin land price report, this is where we make a comparison between the price of Bitcoin and and land. And today Bitcoin's price is up at $120,500 per Bitcoin, which is a pretty big walk up from the last couple of weeks, but still just a little bit below the all time high of 124,000. So Glen, what county are you from and tell me a little bit about the land out there.

Glen Cope [00:24:52] Yeah, so I'm from Berry County, Missouri, so McDonald County would be the southwestern most, we are one county east, so our county joins Arkansas. We're in the, the heart of the Ozarks here, pretty rough country, Rocky, hilly. And if you've been to Branson, that type of rain, we're just west of Branson, so not very conducive for corn and soybean production, but we are in the heart of cattle country and so that's what we produce here on our farm.

Vance Crowe [00:25:24] Yeah. And if somebody were gonna put up a little bit of rangeland pasture for sale, what would a good acre of that pasture go for?

Glen Cope [00:25:32] Well, between six, 7,000 an acre, probably now before COVID it was three or four, but unfortunately like everything else, land costs and just skyrocket, I'd say between 7,000,

Vance Crowe [00:25:49] Well let's call it a cool 6,500. So that means at 120,500, that means one Bitcoin would buy you 18 and a half acres or you could get 0.05 the yeah, one Bitcoin would buy you 18.5 acres. So Glen, how does that sit with you? Do you think Bitcoin is worth 18 and a half acres out there?

Glen Cope [00:26:14] Well, I I'm not real versed in the Bitcoin world being an old cowboy, but I do like my land, so I I, if I had any Bitcoin I would probably turn,

Vance Crowe [00:26:27] Turn into land. What do you know about, about Bitcoin Glen? What's your, what's the amount that people in your world and your tribe, how much do they know about it?

Glen Cope [00:26:35] Very, very little. You know, I i I don't know very much myself and so I know it's something that I need to be more verse on and certainly it's the future events and I appreciate what you do and trying to educate farmers ranch and folks in agriculture about the importance of Bitcoin and the, the dollar may be something we don't even deal with in the 20 years from now, but in the short term I'm slow to adapt. I guess

Vance Crowe [00:27:05] You know though, Glen, I mean we've known each other now almost a year and I I would say you like the other people on FCS financial board, you're open to learning. You just don't have somebody in your world that's sitting there talking about it and it's hard to learn about a technology that nobody's around talking to you about. And so it can seem like something that's far away or maybe not that important. I I get it

Glen Cope [00:27:26] Very true. Very

Vance Crowe [00:27:28] Well, I did, I gave a talk at the Flinch b forum for agriculture, which was held in Manhattan, Kansas, and I stood up and told a group of 250 policy makers that I think the people engaging with Bitcoin today are going to be farm landowner tomorrow. And, and I don't know, maybe you could check out that talk and and give me feedback on, on what you thought, but I just published that today.

Glen Cope [00:27:52] Let me link.

Vance Crowe [00:27:54] Alright, moving on to the Peter Teal paradox. This is where I'm gonna ask Glen, what is one thing that you believe that almost no one you know agrees with you on?

Glen Cope [00:28:04] Well, I, I think I, I'm probably not alone in this, but my dad and a lot of his peers think that land values are going to plummet again someday. They lived through the eighties and, and dad bought this farm that I live on in 1983 and made 16 re rates and he folks that bought land back in the seventies, they saw land go down, prices go down by a third and he said, boy, these days are coming, those days will be here again. And I, I disagree with that. I I we, we seen too much urban sprawl from the Springfield and Branson area and I don't, I think, I think this is, is universal vans, I don't think this is necessarily specific to my part of the world, but guys are buying 40 acres count on and, and folks are moving outta the cities trying to avoid urban all the go on an urban area and they can do their job from home with technology and the internet today. And so many folks are working from home and so they're coming out into our part of the world and we're seeing these farms just kind of being divided up into smaller track. And, and I, I disagree. I I think land values are, they may plateau but they will never recede in price. That's just my thoughts.

Vance Crowe [00:29:25] Yeah, I mean, I gotta tell you Glen, I think you failed this one because I absolutely agree with you. I don't think land prices in dollar terms are ever gonna go down because the government is going to continue to print money and that money has gotta find a home. And I think a lot of people say, Hey, I'd rather have land than I would to put this money into my savings account because if, if I leave it my savings account, it's worth less and at least land I can raise cattle on or hunt or something. So I'm in total agreement with you. I I don't think land prices are going down, at least in terms of dollars.

Glen Cope [00:29:59] Yeah, we had opportunities to buy land years ago that that thought was overvalued, but now looking back it was pretty much so it passed up opportunities.

Vance Crowe [00:30:12] I mean that's the hardest part about any kind of investment, right? You have to believe something that people will only agree with you after the fact. You have to believe things that other people don't believe and are you're gonna make any money. Alright, so now moving on to the worthy adversary, Glen, who is one person that you respect but you strongly disagree with.

Glen Cope [00:30:34] Well, you probably got this before, but I respect this guy and I respect what he's trying to do, but that's Robert F. Kennedy right now. You know, I respect what he's trying to do is in terms of trying to make America healthy, eat healthier, we've got too much obesity and diabetes in our country, but when he is targeting farmers and some of the tools that we have in our toolbox saying that they're not safe, that makes him an adversary. I, this morning I was round up, I was using some roundup on some pasture kind. I'm gonna put in some wheat, some to graze cattle on this winter and, but Roundup safe Vance. And I know in your former life working at Monsanto, you, you, you were well versed in that, but Roundup and some of these that we use there, there are tools in our toolbox that I think not only helps make our jobs more efficient, which we have to be, but they're safe. So implants in that we use in our cattle, they make cattle the cost to gain cheaper. They, they feed conversion so much better. And the one implant, and that we use in, in a, in a steer for example, I think it has estrogen, but like a a, a head of cabbage, head of lettuce has like a thousand times more estrogen than what we're given a a steer that that really that steer much more, well his feed conversion and, and that sort of thing more efficient.

Glen Cope [00:32:14] That's what we need to do. We gotta do more, less if we're gonna feed a growing world. So I guess he would be my adversary. I, again, I respect what he's trying to do in terms of we've gotta eat more healthy, we've gotta do away with these ultra processed foods. But again, it's a choice, but I respect what he is trying to do. But when it comes to the tools that we have in our toolbox as farmers, farmers and ranchers, him going after those things, he's my advent a hundred.

Vance Crowe [00:32:45] So just outta curiosity, Glen, if you didn't have Roundup to, to use on your field, like what would your dad have been using?

Glen Cope [00:32:54] We would've tilled our ground, which we, we we've done in the past and we would till to, if we wanted to go from fescue to let's say crabgrass or, or alfalfa or something else that, that we could cut for hay, we, we would tell, well we've been told that tillage we've gotta do away with tillage because of the runoff and soil erosion. Well, Roundup lets us use no-till technology. We, we rented a drill off the county and, and we've been planting wheat the last few days. So that's what we'd have to do is we'd have to till plow deep, you know, and then and disk. And so there'd just be runoff if we had a big rent event.

Vance Crowe [00:33:36] You know, it's so easy when people talk about getting rid of something they don't, they don't have to have an answer for, for what would be the, the opposite of that. And that's why I'm always saying farmers, if you're getting something taken away, just show people what you did before because they often perceive we're using Roundup because we're either too dumb, we don't, we don't know that we, that this is this terrible chemical or we don't care. But that's never true. You choose Roundup because it's superior than the other options and people don't have any concept what the other options were.

Glen Cope [00:34:07] Well the only other option is, and plow and we've been taught, you know, in elementary school that you know, you need to get rid of your plows because it just causes soil a erosion bad for the environment. We the soil. And, and I get it and I agree, but Roundup is the tool that we have in our toolbox to eliminate pillage.

Vance Crowe [00:34:29] Well I I'm with you on that one. I think he is a worthy adversary and I'm, I'm also in agreement like something's gotta be done on, on these other issues about American health and I don't know, I don't know what we're gonna do. Well Glenn, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. If people found your way of thinking interesting. I don't think you're a social media guy, but how would people reach out to you?

Glen Cope [00:34:54] Well, I'm chairman of the MFA oil board of directors and I've got my email address there, but yeah, you know, van, I love what I do and, and we're very blessed. I tell my kids every day, be thankful we live where we do and we have the occupation we do because there's, you don't have to look very far a away folks in urban areas, they, they may think they got it good, but us out here in, in rural America, we have a group.

Vance Crowe [00:35:25] Well, Glen, I am so glad to have become friends with you and thank you so much for coming on the show.

Glen Cope [00:35:32] Thank you, ma'am.

Vance Crowe [00:35:34] All right, that's gonna do it for the Ag Tribes report. This week as I sign off, I, I wanted to talk a little bit about something. You know, with Legacy Interviews I get a chance to sit down with people reflecting on their lives and the things that happened to them and how they reacted to it. And one of the things that happened recently was I had a very deep conversation with a woman that had had experienced a lot of tragedy and one of the things that she said as we were leaving was, I'm so glad I got to talk about this. I'm so glad I got to really break down what happened and think about it and think about it in the context of my life years after those things. So while I would love to interview your loved ones, this is what we do here all the time. And if you're interested you can go to Legacy Interviews dot com. But I would really encourage everyone out there to talk with your parents to find the time, not just fitting it in between things, but to make an hour or two to go talk about another person's life, to hear about what it was that they went through and watch how much it can change their life, their experience of those memories, to give them a chance to reflect on it. And so I really hope and encourage that you do that. And if we can help you out, go to Legacy Interviews dot com to find out more. I'm gonna wrap up. We will be back next week, but I am so glad that you joined us this week and as always, feel free to disagree.

Vance Crowe [00:37:06] So the conference organizer has a terrible challenge. The audience can pull out their phone and pull up anyone talking about anything. How do you find somebody that is both going to reach every single person in that audience and yet still have that spike of energy where people are electrified 'cause they're hearing about things that they aren't used to or that make them think about things in a different way? The most important question that I ask a conference organizer is, what is it that you want people to feel? What emotion do you want them to have When we leave this talk? What's their disposition? How are they gonna interact with one another? What does this prompt in the people that are there? It's not just the information, what you're giving them is energy, a reason to be there in that moment. Now they take that energy and they share it amongst each other. For me, the best speech is when people walk away being like, I now have a tangible skill. But they didn't necessarily readily accept it and they had to grapple with it. They set their phone down, they leaned forward, they said, how do I feel about this? And through that, an energy is created that is not about the speaker, it's about the person listening to the speech. It's far beyond motivation. It's actually giving people skills.