Trump's China Deal Called a Non-Win by Texas Rancher, Country of Origin Labeling Returns

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Vance Crowe [00:01:03] Welcome to the Ag Tribes report. I'm your host, Vance Crowe. Each week I bring on a guest that represents one of the many ag tribes that make up US and Canadian agriculture. This week we have Casey Kim Rel, a fifth generation Texas Panhandle Farmer and CEO of Casey and Annie Kimbrel Farms. He manages thousands of acres of corn, cotton and cattle debt free near sun Ray, Texas, somewhere out in Colorado. And I found out just before Showtime, he even farms in Iowa after overcoming a crazy $100,000 hail loss. You can read all about him. Chris Bennett did a, a spectacular spotlight of him, made me really wanna chat with him. So Casey, welcome to the show.

Guest [00:01:47] Thank you.

Vance Crowe [00:01:49] So what have you been paying attention to lately?

Guest [00:01:52] Well, the latest news, you know, everything on Twitter concerning the cattle market and the big crash from last week and little bit of everything.

Vance Crowe [00:02:05] Yeah, I, some weeks you get on here and you gotta scratch away to find news stories you don't know. You maybe put in an extra stories because the stories aren't very thick or deep. Not this week. This week we only have three stories because I think from watching Casey for, I don't know, a couple years on x, I think we're gonna have some pretty good conversation because this week what we're gonna cover is Trump and his summit with Xi Jinping and his, his trade deal that he's making over in China, and how much soybeans he's convinced the Chinese to buy. We're also gonna talk about the mandatory origin of labeling and kinda some of the stuff that's going on with that right now as Representative Massey has been bringing that up in big, big national spotlight ways. And finally, we're gonna talk about Bill Gates reversing his position on climate change. And even though that isn't directly agriculture, man, climate change has had a big impact both on the demand for things like corn and on the things that you have to do to your engines and all the emission standards. So there's a lot going on there. We're also gonna do Casey's Bitcoin land price report. Here is Peter Thiel paradox and talk about his worthy adversary. And we're gonna try and do that in just 30 minutes. So let's get started. First off, Trump and XI Summit secures massive soybean buy resets, trade levels to pre-war levels. President Trump announced a major US China trade deal today and yesterday after meeting with China and some of the things that were on the docket, soybean, sorghum and other farm products, the agreement sets annual soybean buys at about 25 million metric tons matching pre 2018 trade war averages with tariff reductions to revive exports that dropped from 27 million tons in 24 20, 24 to under 6 million by August of 25.

Vance Crowe [00:04:00] Trump then went out on truth social and urged farmers to buy more land and bigger tractors declaring they'll be very happy. But critics like Ethan and Casey view it as a superficial thing, not, maybe not as big of a deal as Trump's making it out to be. Casey, what did you see when you heard about this trade deal?

Guest [00:04:21] Well, I was really excited. I saw it starting to happen before I went to bed last night and I thought, Hey, we're finally gonna get something that's really positive for agriculture. And it's better than a knock on the head for sure. It's better than zero exports to of soybeans as we've had over the last year almost. But 25 million metric tons of beans per year is what the commitment is for. And our 10 year average is over 30. And so we're got a commitment to China to buy almost as much beans as they've been buying already. I don't call that a win.

Vance Crowe [00:05:04] Yeah, I mean, you gotta give him some credit for coming out and celebrating, getting back to exactly where they were at before this happened. Now I don't know, is he gonna get tariff money off of this? Like I, what else is going on? He's some, they're talking about rare earth metals, which I think very important to the US system. But if, if you, if this is the way he presents soybeans, how can you imagine he's presenting other things that he's saying he's winning on?

Guest [00:05:30] Right. And that's, that's the rub for me.

Vance Crowe [00:05:35] Well, what did you, what were you expecting? What did you think markets were expecting? Were they expecting a bigger purchase? How did they react?

Guest [00:05:43] Well, one would think that when, when you're making a settlement to a dispute and the dispute was caused by an injustice in the way things are going, that when you settled the dispute that it would be better than it was before. Not the same or worse.

Vance Crowe [00:06:05] Yeah, I saw on, on X today the soybean price is jumping up and down and up and down. Brian Scott was, was just, he just had a tweet that was just 19 down, nine up, 19 up, 19 down and it, that's how it's gone all day. Is it? Have you been watching the markets?

Guest [00:06:22] I haven't. We had cattle out today, so I've been chasing cattle all day.

Vance Crowe [00:06:27] All right. Moving on to story number two, reviving the beef label wars ranchers rally for mandatory origin of labeling in a post WTO world. Our calf USA blasted voluntary country of origin, labeling for beef as a failure on, on October 29th urging Congress to pass S 4 21 and HR 5 8 18 to mandate labels tracing cattle from birth to slaughter. The push counters four mega packers can that control the 85% of processing allowing foreign beef from Uruguay to Australia. Now 90% you to to be presented as a product of the USA after even just minimal processing eroding rancher profits. Representative Thomas Massey amplified the call on the 30th questioning jbss antitrust issues and inauguration donations amid unlabeled imports, flooding shelves, bipartisan bills introduced earlier in 25, seek WTO compliant enforcements with penalties. And really it's just, this is an issue that's coming back up. Some people our calf are calling for mandatory origin, country of origin labeling. Where are you at on this issue, Casey?

Guest [00:07:43] Well, I am for the mandatory country of origin labeling. I don't think it's gonna be the panacea that the ranching community thinks it will be, but it, it's just the right thing to do. It's the truthful thing to do. Now we not only don't have truth and transparency as to where your beef is coming from, but we have lies printed right on the package that'll say that it's a product of USA when it's not and it really needs to change. It's just the way it is now. It's wrong.

Vance Crowe [00:08:18] Yeah, it's wild. For people that haven't been exposed to this thi this is like when cow could be raised entirely in Argentina or maybe from several different countries and then they come across the border and and are processed here, right? Or they had some amount of, the amount of ground beef in the, in the package came from USA beef, they're allowed to label it product of USA,

Guest [00:08:42] Even if it is grown, fed, slaughtered, cut up and sent to the United States, if they put a different packaging label on it, they can say it's a product of the USA and that's wrong.

Vance Crowe [00:08:59] I and i I take r calf's point. I mean they're saying yeah, the, of course the four packers want this to be voluntary 'cause they don't want to go forward with it. And so if you make it voluntary, they're not gonna use it. But they're the ones that are benefiting from it. They're the ones that are able to say, Hey, this beef that you think you're getting from a US rancher raised in this, you know, larger system that has quality standards and HU humane standards, well you we're gonna present all of the beef as having these qualities when the reality is it doesn't and they're able to get those lower prices from other places and sell it as us.

Guest [00:09:36] Yes. I saw a post today from the Meat Institute that was saying that if if this prime act passed that massey's pushing that there wouldn't be any inspection on meat and it'd just be a dangerous thing from now on. And the whole thing was not true. And I'm thinking right now where it is, we don't have USDA inspection when it's when meat's slaughtered in a foreign country and they're for that, but yet they're against local processors being able to process beef and us be able to sell direct to consumer. Sounds to me like something's a little off with that.

Vance Crowe [00:10:15] Yeah, it definitely seems like it's slanted towards large corporate interests. And you know, a lot of people right now are complaining that the very organizations that they are paying into, they were, you know, they were told they were cattle producers. And so their large checkoff group that they have put together isn't just cattle ranchers, it's also the meat packers. And so these groups that, that the farmers are saying, Hey, we are mandated to pay into this for marketing, and they are not marketing on behalf of US cattle ranchers. They're marketing on behalf of the larger beef industry who doesn't really want mandatory country of origin labeling.

Guest [00:10:54] Absolutely. I I could talk for two hours just on this, it cattle industry pays that beef check off. And to me, if their average cattle cattle raisers raise cattle, they don't raise beef. Most of them, a few of them sell a beef on the side or a few beefs. But as a whole, most cattle producers produce cattle not beef and the the beef comes out of the backside of the packing plant. And so it it, to me, cattle producers having to pay that advertising is no different than US steel workers getting money taken out of their check to pay for Chevrolet advertisements. It just doesn't compute with me. And worse yet is so much of that dollar a head checkoff is used to free up a lobbying effort and now they, they'll tell you, oh, we can't lobby with these dollars. But they do have a lobby group and their lobby group is the, the, they, they, that money's kind of, there's, it is not very transparent where it's going for one thing. And even if they didn't do any lobbying with the actual checkoff dollars, their lobby group uses checkoff dollars to the point that it appears that the lobby group is on cattle producer's side. And most of the time that's not true.

Vance Crowe [00:12:28] Well, this is one of those interesting quirks about checkoff groups that unless you're engaged in the system, you, you would have no way of knowing this. Most groups, and I'll just talk about soy just because it's one that I know they have a checkoff group that they just do marketing. They're supposed to be like, Hey, we are pushing open the markets. We're going to Korea, we're going to Japan. We're trying to find more uses for that. And among our own audiences, we are going to put up billboards. We're gonna try and do things in schools to promote that people like soy. But at the same time, there's another group that looks and sounds just like the, the checkoff group and it's called, I believe this. So there's one that's the soybean board, and then one is the Soybean Association and one of them is the lobbying arm. So they go to Congress and they take money from, from their donors and from groups that are not necessarily the checkoff dollars, but it's all a part of a larger system. And then they go and lobby. So for them to say, Hey, these are two totally separate things, they're not together. There's usually a huge amount of board overlap. There's oftentimes the lobbying group is, like you said, carrying the branding essentially, or the overall commodity feel of that. And so they get to benefit from those checkoff dollars. And in this case you're saying they're advocating for, for things that don't actually benefit the people that are paying in the money.

Guest [00:13:55] Correct. And they're supposed to represent both the packer and the cattle producer. And to me that's an adversarial relationship. And I realize that we both need each other, but we're not both on the same side when it comes to cattle markets because the packer wants things to be as cheap as they can possibly be because it increases their margin when they're buying cheap and selling high, they make more money and the cattle producer needs the live cattle to be as as expensive as they can possibly be. And so it seems to me like it's how do you represent both sides of that when, when it's a situation like that?

Vance Crowe [00:14:42] Well, absolutely seems like the people that are engaged in it believe authentically that they are representing the larger group, the, the overarching system. And then when you get into X and you talk to individuals, it seems like many individuals don't feel served by that larger system. And there is definitely some mismatch between expectation and delivery.

Guest [00:15:08] Well, just almost always, if you see something that almost all of the cattle lobbies, with the exception of of Cattlemen's and r calf when it comes to importing beef, they're, they're pushing for it. They're not just neutral on it. They are pushing for imports of beef. And they'll tell you things like, oh, but we, we export the really good beef that we can't sell here and we import the really sorry beef so we can have more hamburger. And that the problem with that was that makes sense right now. But they were telling me that same thing when I was selling coal cows for 50 cents a pound. And it's like, if, if they got any cheaper, we just wouldn't CU cattle, we'd just let 'em die in the pasture. And, and so how can they make that argument at that point? And it hasn't changed.

Vance Crowe [00:16:07] It's, it's, do you think this MCO L thing has got legs or is this just a sideshow among many, many other larger big picture things?

Guest [00:16:15] I think it could have legs. I'm not sure that will, people still are fearful of the WTO and, and I think the WTO is the SST thing. This country has ever joined. I think it's a dean of thieves. They are, they don't listen to the US' side of a court case. They won't really represent the United States at all. And they're supposed to be a neutral party, but they're not, they're against the United States and I don't think we should be a part of such an organization.

Vance Crowe [00:16:47] Yeah. You know, these trade organizations, like they only work if, if they are used as a way to cooperate more, but if they're used as a way of creating global law or a different system and like we're just giving over our sovereignty to another nation. I am going to wrap up on this story, but I think more to come, I think the, actually, one, one thing I did wanna mention seems to me the big winner here is Thomas Massey. That guy is coming in saying things. He's even having the vice president of the United States say like, Hey, he's not on our side, he is not voting with us on things. Well, right now, as Trump has not, I think succeeded in farmers' minds the way that they had hoped he was going to Thomas Massey, on the other hand, he's got a much bigger audience and is really gaining traction among people saying that that guy gets it.

Guest [00:17:36] Thomas Massey is my favorite congressman. I wish we had 400 more just like him. I won't say that I like everything he does. He's a definitely a libertarian leaning congressman and he, you know, libertarians are pro free trade and they le they set aside the fact that there's not really any such thing as free

Vance Crowe [00:17:58] Trade.

Guest [00:17:59] And I'm very pro trade. I'm just not, I don't think we ought to just throw the reins to other countries and say, we're, we're just gonna take it on the head all we all we can and let you guys run. Right. Rough shot over us.

Vance Crowe [00:18:15] Well, the thing I would quibble with you on there is I think Chris Benoit, who's one of my guests on the podcast a few months ago pointed out there are a lot of libertarians that believe that you can be a libertarian and have tariffs. And I, I I think I myself have kinda changed my, my philosophy on this. I don't think I would count my, I I would count myself as a libertarian, maybe small l and I'm open to tariffs. Well

Guest [00:18:41] Tell Rand Paul that.

Vance Crowe [00:18:43] Alright, moving on to story number three. Bill Gates prioritizes child vaccines over climate alarmism. Let's play this little clip right here by Bill Gates so we can hear it in his own words.

Guest [00:18:56] Climate is a super important problem. There's enough innovation here to avoid super bad outcomes. We won't achieve our best goal, the 1.5 or even the two degrees. And as we go about trying to minimize that, we have to frame it in terms of overall human welfare, not just everything should be solely for climate. When the climate activists who, who have been very supportive of what you've done and you've been very supportive of what they've done, read this and, and if Greta, if Greta Thunberg is reading this and saying to herself, my goodness, he seems like he is reversing himself, what would you tell her? I'd say wasn't the goal here to improve human lives and shouldn't we, in our awareness of how little generosity there is to help measure, you know, should we get them a measles vaccine or should we do some climate related activity? And if, if we could take, if we stop putting all vaccines and that, you know, saved you 0.1 degree, would that be a smart trade off? That's the kind of question we have to ask.

Vance Crowe [00:20:16] So this is a wild turn of face by Bill Gates who was putting forth all kinds of ideas on why we should be preparing to eat alternative proteins to, you know, energy reduction. What's your take on this Bill Gates reversing his position is climate change over,

Guest [00:20:36] Ah, I doubt it's over, it's a

Vance Crowe [00:20:38] Religion

Guest [00:20:38] For a lot of people and they're not, he's not gonna convert everybody overnight, but it's a step in the right direction.

Vance Crowe [00:20:46] So when you think about climate change, you know, there's obviously things that bene have benefited farmers. I don't know about ranchers, but farmers for example, like the climate change was a lot of the impetus behind developing ethanol mandates and definitely trying to get broader public support for that. It also is carbon pipelines. You wouldn't have any of those and the people that are making money off of that. So ag has benefited from climate alarmism. Do you think if this starts to go away, that's gonna hurt farmers' pocketbooks?

Guest [00:21:16] I don't know. I think ethanol's pretty, pretty well here to stay. It, it's kind of flying on its own. And so there's, there's really no, there's really not anything that, it's

Vance Crowe [00:21:29] Not flying on its own. You're mandated in the state of Missouri to put a certain amount of gasoline in there. State of Illinois. They say, Hey, you, you are by law required to burn ethanol in your, in your car.

Guest [00:21:41] Well, true, but it has become a valuable substitute for MTBE for, and I don't think any of these climate ideals are gonna entirely go away. And they shouldn't. I mean, I remember in, in the mid seventies, I was about five years old and we came into Albuquerque, New Mexico, and you drive over the mountain pass and they're sitting down in a valley where the wind traps all the smog in there and we're just brown clouds in the sky and we don't wanna go back to that. And so I I I, I don't, I don't think ethanol, I think it's a, I think it's a valuable thing to have and, and, and the subsidies are gone. And so it's, it's getting more and more to, we're exploring on its own. And I, I could be terribly wrong on that, hadn't done a whole lot of research on it, but that's, that's my take is that I think we'll continue to, to wanna have additives in gasoline and prevent pollution and smog and such. So

Vance Crowe [00:22:42] Yeah, I I think the point I'm interested in, in trying to figure out is as change for what is climate change and what is it that they're gonna try and implement is which of those things are gonna raise the bottom line of, of farmers or really even just consumers. Like right now in my pickup truck, I have a damn switch on it that will turn my truck off while I'm sitting at the stoplight and I don't know how many more times I'm gonna have to go to the shop to get that damn thing fixed. But that climate change stuff is gonna go right back to my bottom line. If we take out all that, you know, whatever those automatic kill switches are on your trucks,

Guest [00:23:22] There's so many things like that that they don't even make sense. My daughter's car has that and I was driving it one day and it had 30,000 miles on it and it has a calculator in there as to how much fuel it had saved and it was like three gallons and 30,000 miles that it calculated that it had saved from shutting off at every stoplight.

Vance Crowe [00:23:43] Yeah. And I mean, they tell me that it doesn't make my engine have trouble starting, but that lies all of it. Climate change lies. All right, that's gonna do it for our news stories today. If you have news that you think we should cover, you can always send it to me Vance at Legacy Interviews dot com or at Vance Crowe on X. Moving on to the Bitcoin land price report. Woo. Bitcoin has been on sale this week, just as of press time. One Bitcoin was $107,300. This is down 11% from the all time highs at the beginning of the month at $126,000. So now let's compare it to land where, where Casey's at now, Casey, I know you got land in Texas, you got it in Colorado and in Iowa, but since you're in Colorado right now, what's an acre of high quality farmland? Go for these days

Guest [00:24:36] Here where we're at for this farm slash ranch land on the river river, it's fairly stable going up a little bit. 10, $11,000 an acre, some 12.

Vance Crowe [00:24:49] Okay, so if we go with 10,000, that would mean 0.093 Bitcoin would buy one acre of land or other words one Bitcoin would buy you 10.7 acres of land where you are at in Colorado. How does that sit with you Casey?

Guest [00:25:07] Hmm. I like land. I'm not saying Bitcoin is worthless. I think there's a place for it. I wouldn't sink my entire portfolio into land. I wouldn't sink my entire portfolio into Bitcoin, but I think there's a place for both.

Vance Crowe [00:25:27] How familiar with, are you with Bitcoin? Have you interacted with it?

Guest [00:25:31] Very little. I'm just now getting to where I understand it and I'll never invest in anything that I just absolutely don't understand. And I, I think it's a hedge against inflation and I've already have a lot of investments that are hedges against inflation.

Vance Crowe [00:25:54] When you're going out and learning about Bitcoin, where, where do you explore? What have you found to be valuable for this technology? That's pretty, pretty huge to understand.

Guest [00:26:05] Oh, podcasts have been really educational. X you get both sides there. Some people love it, some people hate it. It's, I don't know, it's one of them things that I'm not in love with, but I don't hate it either one. It's a, it's a faith-based based currency, just like the dollar is, but it has reason to have faith behind it and the dollar has less and less reason to have faith behind it because Congress can't seem to control their spending and that results in more and more dollars in and up in the circulation. And so I I I trust Bitcoin more than I trust the government.

Vance Crowe [00:26:55] Hey, that's what I like to hear.

Guest [00:26:57] Yeah,

Vance Crowe [00:26:58] I, I, we'll just leave it right there. If you are interested in purchasing Bitcoin, one of the affiliate links that I use is river.com. That's where I personally purchase Bitcoin. It's a great interface and if you buy Bitcoin there, it will actually support the show. So I'll leave a link in the show notes. Moving on to Casey's Peter Thiel paradox. This is where I ask you, Peter, what is one thing that you believe that almost nobody you know agrees with you on?

Guest [00:27:29] I believe that anyone can succeed in agriculture.

Vance Crowe [00:27:36] Okay. That is bold and I, on its face, don't agree with it, so convince me.

Guest [00:27:43] Well, I'm not saying that everyone can ex can succeed in agriculture. Most people can't. But it doesn't, you don't have to have a certain background. You don't have to be raised in a rich family. And most people I know disagree. They say, oh, the only way that you can farm these days is to have a rich daddy or marry somebody that's rich. And, and I'm a testament to that, that's not true. You don't have to have a certain skin color to be a farmer. You don't have to be a certain gender to be a farmer. You, you can get into the, to the, to the agriculture e either farming or ranching or both, no matter what your background is. I've got some of my renters that weren't even born in the United States and they are doing very well on their own. And,

Vance Crowe [00:28:35] And so what's the path, what's the, what's the way to think about this? Because on its face there are a lot of people saying, no, you can't, you can't buy the land, you can't get the equipment. You need a lot of capital.

Guest [00:28:45] Well, that's the first thing you gotta get rid of is you can't, because if you got the idea that you can't, you are a hundred percent right all the time. And so it, it takes the most optimistic person that, you know, to be able to start from scratch in this business. And it can be done. And people are saying, well, it could be done when you did it, but it can't be done right now. And I'm gonna tell you, it can be done right now. Know a guy that just bought a bunch of broke mouth cows a year ago, turned around and sold them for more than he paid for 'em and has a basically a free calf crop out of them because he got enough more out of them to pay for their whole year's feed. So he, he's got a whole herd of calves that, that he's got nothing but labor in and right time, right place, of course. But it can be done, but it can't be done if you're not optimistic. It can't be done if you don't have absolute determination because I'm gonna tell you, every time you think you're gonna get ahead in this business, something comes along to knock the slabs out from under you.

Vance Crowe [00:29:58] That's every business that is every single business. There's always something coming up

Guest [00:30:03] That's a fact. And it could be weather, it could, it could be a neighbor that's that's trying to rent or ground out from under you. It, it could be the president puts up a truth social post and, and knock $500 a head off of your calves that you have to come to market with this week. I mean, it can be anything and you just gotta be ready and willing to get gut punch after gut punch. But if you are, it can be done. Now, that's not to say that everyone that has determination can be successful at it. I'm gonna te say most people that try to get in this business that start from scratch and don't have a, a big financial backing behind them are gonna fail. But some are gonna make it,

Vance Crowe [00:30:52] You know, I think this was a, a good one. I I really like this. You you set it up so that I automatically disagreed with it. And over time as I'm hearing your case, like I I can, I can solidly get behind it. I'm gonna give you a rock solid eight on that one. Okay, moving on to the final section. This is where the adversaries, this is where we talk about who is somebody that you respect but you strongly disagree with.

Guest [00:31:20] Well, I'm sorry to say, but as of late it's President Trump.

Vance Crowe [00:31:26] Okay. And, and you feel like this makes you a little different. You think most people are in agreement with him?

Guest [00:31:35] I think most people are afraid to say it if they're Trump supporters. And most people, if they're not Trump supporters couldn't say that they respected him and I both respect him and disagree with him. I think he stabbed cattle producers in the back last week. And I don't care if the market recovers a hundred percent, it doesn't change the fact that he stabbed cattle producers in the back and he didn't say anything negative against beef producers, packing plants and that part of the chain that has far more influence over the price of, of beef in the store than a cattle producer does. We we're market takers, we're not market makers. And that was a real bothersome thing. These trade deals we keep hearing Japan, China, South Korea, all these things. Oh, we've got such a huge victory here and they're not victories at all. They're not even what we were already doing before he got into all of this. And so I, I disagree with him. I respectfully disagree with him. I appreciate what he's doing. And for the, for the liberals that are saying, oh yeah, you're coming back over to our side, that's not true either because I think we would've been worse off with the President Harris, that would've, he, I think she would've just left China run rough shot over us and we would've been ended up entirely dependent on China.

Guest [00:33:07] And when you get it entirely dependent upon an adversary, you you, you end up in prison camps where it ends up in the long term. And so I'm, I'm not saying that I wish I would've voted a different way or whatever. I voted for Trump, I'll be transparent and I'm, I'm an independent, I've voted for both Republicans and Democrats in my lifetime and I'm not sure I've ever had a president that I've voted for that I wasn't disappointed with. But the, the President Trump is, is another one of those that I'm, I'm really disappointed with. And it's because he's not doing enough, not because he's doing too much. Like some of the, the liberals seem to think, I I don't think we need to be fighting so hard for a deal with China that we back up so far that we didn't gain anything. This was too much sacrifice not to have gained anything. And so anyway, that's, that's where I stand with that.

Vance Crowe [00:34:06] Yeah, I I think you're saying something unique here. I I was in a group of farmers just last week and they were right when the Trump Post came out and you know, they were like, ah, I wish he didn't do that. But they were unwilling to be very strong about that, right? People don't want to be seen as going counter to him and that's what's given him a lot of power, probably a lot of flexibility and negotiations because he does have this loyalty. But you're right, if he, if he stabs you in the back, you gotta call that out. 'cause otherwise you're, you're in a tyrannical situation, but just from a different pole,

Guest [00:34:39] Right? And I'm not looking for a cabinet position, so there's no reason that I can't call spade space. Well, this

Vance Crowe [00:34:47] Has been a lot of fun, Casey, if people wanted to interact with you, engage with you. I know you're on x. Tell me a little bit about how you think about what you post there.

Guest [00:34:59] I say what I wanna say. I don't care if it makes anybody mad or not. So I'm, I'm not there for the followers. I don't make any money off of it. I'm only there because I like the ag interaction and I like the political a interaction when it's not just crazy like it was for a little while before the election. And so, like I say, I'm, I'm just there for entertainment. That's what I do. What I'm waiting on a livestock tank to fill or whatever

Vance Crowe [00:35:27] Thoughts on tanks. Phil, I think there are a lot of people that write posts that way.

Guest [00:35:33] Oh, by the way, I'm not debt free anymore. I borrowed money to buy some lands.

Vance Crowe [00:35:38] Well, I'll be interested to get your long form story and you and I to sit down and chat some other time. I'm so glad you were willing to do this, Casey, thank you for taking time and, and coming on here.

Guest [00:35:48] Sounds good. Appreciate it. And thanks for hosting.

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Vance Crowe [00:37:24] We'll be back next week. But as always, feel free to disagree. So the conference organizer has a terrible challenge. The audience can pull out their phone and pull up anyone talking about anything. How do you find somebody that is both going to reach every single person in that audience and yet still have that spike of energy where people are electrified 'cause they're hearing about things that they aren't used to or that make them think about things in a different way? The most important question that I ask a conference organizer is, what is it that you want people to feel? What emotion do you want them to have When we leave this talk? What's their disposition? How are they gonna interact with one another? What does this prompt in the people that are there? It's not just the information. What you're giving them is energy, a reason to be there in that moment. Now they take that energy and they share it amongst each other. For me, the best speech is when people walk away being like, I now have a tangible skill. But they didn't necessarily readily accept it and they had to grapple with it. They set their phone down, they leaned forward, they said, how do I feel about this? And through that, an energy is created that is not about the speaker, it's about the person listening to the speech. It's far beyond motivation. It's actually giving people skills. I.