ATR: IL Farm Bureau gets boot CAFOs survive in CA & stupid milk pricing organic dairyman Josh Tranel

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Vance Crowe [00:01:40] Recently, Josh had the honor of serving as FSA chairperson for the state of Wisconsin. Josh, welcome to the Ag Tribes report. Thanks, Vance. Happy to be here. I invited Josh on because he wrote me a very lengthy response to some of my thoughts about glyphosate and why people were concerned about it. And I, while I, you know, strongly feel that glyphosate is a, is a net positive, anybody that's gonna take the time to write something out that's so detailed, something he thought about and something he put time into, made me say, Hey, this is gonna be somebody that's interesting to talk to in particular. 'cause I have about as many doubts about organic farming as I do about ministers and pastors. But I think that it's really good for us to have all these different perspectives. And as this week's stories popped up, it shows that Josh actually has a ton of insight. So this week what we are going to cover is Illinois Farm Bureau gets the boot from the American Farm Bureau. Also, we're gonna talk about the CAFOs that are gonna stay in Sonoma County, California. We're also going to cover the milk pricing shenanigans that go on in that weird world. And we're gonna talk about some of the Trump appointments that are coming down the line. We're also gonna do the Bitcoin land price report and wow, what a week it has been for Bitcoin. And then we're gonna go through the Peter Thiel paradox and Josh's worthy adversary. And we're gonna try and do that in just 30 minutes. So let's get started.

Vance Crowe [00:03:11] From Holly Spangler at the Prairie Farmer, the American Farm Bureau kicks the Illinois Farm Bureau out of the Farm Bureau family, the Illinois Farm Bureau affiliate company, country Financial decided in September to no longer require non-farm members in the Illinois Farm Bureau. So what this decision did was it re, it could reduce membership from 400,000 to 78,000 next year. Meaning that if you were getting one of these country financial insurance programs, you had your Farm Bureau membership thrown in with it, which meant the overall farm bureau got to count those people as members and there were some dues and money that was being taken care of. Well, I reached out both to the American Farm Bureau and the Illinois Farm Bureau. The Illinois Farm Bureau responded Sierra Henry let me know about what their executive management team is saying. We believe that the American Farm Bureau is choosing to abandon our more than 70,000 Illinois farmer members because of our affiliate insurance company does not want to force non-member farmers to join. We believe that the American Farm Bureau is choosing to put out our farms, our families, and our communities at risk at a time when we need to support through federal policy. In short, we believe that A FBF has chosen to break its promise to Illinois farmers. Josh, what do you think should, is this something that hit your radar and what do you think about the American Farm Bureau kicking a state out?

Guest [00:04:42] Yeah, a little crazy. And I would've loved to have been in the boardroom for these decisions. I'm curious if the American Farm Bureau was more worried about the lose loss of membership just because of the total sway or the dollars behind the membership. And I'm also curious to know then if Illinois was gonna let them be non-voluntary members and still put forth the membership, or if it was just one of the other had to be voluntary or had to be total but interesting decision by the National Farm Bureau there to kick them out.

Vance Crowe [00:05:12] Yeah, you know, and I can really only speak for the Illinois Farm Bureau. I reached out to both of 'em and the Illinois Farm Bureau sent me back quite a few stuff. They sent the lawsuit that they were putting forward and they also, in that press briefing, they also talked more about how they tried to do a mediated settlement to say, Hey, we, this doesn't have to be a financial loss for you. There are other ways we could approach it, but they said that the American Farm Bureau just didn't want to. In fact, they said they got up from the table and left. Now, I don't know, you know, of course that's only one team side, but it is really important to the American Farm Bureau to be able to count the number of members, right? That allows you to go to Capitol Hill and say, look, you know, we have four, you know, 400,000 people in in Illinois alone. And if all of a sudden that drops to 70,000, does your clout get reduced? I think it, I think it probably does.

Guest [00:06:03] Yeah. And it looked like this negotiation was going on for about 45 days between the two groups. But yeah, I mean that's a big clout to say, Hey, you got 450,000 people behind you versus only 75,000. But at the same time, if you've got 75,000 farmers behind you and the rest of them aren't even farmers, does it really get you anywhere?

Vance Crowe [00:06:23] Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it seems like it, it may also have to do with like, hey, what happens if other states do this? I know that Ohio is a massively large farm bureau and they have a big insurance program and I wonder if that's not a big contributor to it, but it does seem pretty bold for that step to be taken. 'cause once you kick a group out, you know, like that, that sends a pretty bold signal to everybody else. So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I think they aren't officially kicked out until the end of December, something like December 20th.

Guest [00:06:55] Yeah, and I know Wisconsin's the same way. I mean, I'm a member on my house of the rural route and that's another affiliate membership. You have to be part of it. And so Wisconsin's counting the same way. So I'm sure there's a lot of states that are counting like this.

Vance Crowe [00:07:08] Well, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. All right, moving on to our next story. This was a shocker that Josh sent me from KQED in San Francisco, a public radio station actually, which I was ribbon on on Twitter this week. Sonoma County shocks the California Ag system by voting to stop the CAFO ban. So in recent elections, Sonoma County voters considered Measure J an initiative aimed at phasing out concentrated animal feeding operations. Within three years, this measure targeted large scale industrial agricultural facilities, specifically egg poultry and dairy farms by prohibiting future CAFOs and requiring existing ones to either modify their operations to comply with new regulations or shut down. But it was rejected. 85% of voters voted against Measure J, which is stunning. And I have heard through the grapevine that there were a lot of farmers, a lot of energy going here. Josh, how did this hit your radar screen?

Guest [00:08:10] Yeah, this hit my radar screen from a couple friends I have out in Sonoma County that were living through this for the past three months. To me, it's insane that something like this could even get on the ballot because not only were they just changing what the cafo, the allowance of CAFOs, but they were bringing that down to like 250 animal units. So it was gonna take out almost all of agriculture in that county. And I mean if you wanna pay attention to what's coming in the rest of the country in the next five years, these California counties are a good place to start paying attention to what's coming. I know that's how Prop 13 got into the system and scary, scary, scary. That something like this can hit a ballot and all of a sudden be over farmer's heads for three, four months. Because if that had gotten voted through, that'd be 75 80 families that had to devest from their operations.

Vance Crowe [00:08:54] Yeah. Sonoma County for those not familiar with California geography is just north of San Francisco. So in the southern part you have people that are, you know, have their homes just outside of, of the Bay Area. But the rest of the state, the rest of the county is massively rural. It, this is like a, a deeply farm community. And what was crazy about this particular ballot was all of the members, I don't know all, but most of the members on the county board didn't want it. They were, they were saying, no, I don't want this. You had groups coming out that normally would've been kind of pro-environment and anti agriculture come out and say, no weird, this is not right. But in California, if you can get enough signatures on the ballot, you can put a measure like this forward and it, the Sonoma County sent a resounding no back. But that was not obvious that that was gonna happen.

Guest [00:09:46] No. And it took a lot of grassroots effort to get that to happen. I know a lot of them were out working for months and months and months and a lot of money raised and yeah, farm bureau, I know California Farm Bureau was a big part in getting this stop. So hopefully they can get a stop at a state level now. But scary times if you're out there.

Vance Crowe [00:10:04] Yeah, I mean it's a testament to, I mean ag superpower and referring to the story earlier, farm Bureau itself does such a good job of organizing to take such a small group of people to be able to get things organized and pushed back. But every minute you're spending organizing against crazy bureaucracy is a minute you are not spending than

Guest [00:10:23] Farming. Yeah.

Vance Crowe [00:10:26] And speaking of crazy bureaucracies onto our third story, this comes straight outta Twitter, RK O2 milk on X said the USDA agricultural marketing services releases federal milk marketing order final decision. That is a mouthful. But the FFMO, which is a thing we talked about when Dwayne Faber was one of our guests, is the crazy pricing system that happens where you, you would think that the way that milk gets priced is a person that wants to turn that milk into cheese or sell it as milk comes to the farmer and says, I'm gonna pay you this much for your milk. And the farmer agrees to it and that's all done. But that is not actually what happens. What happens is after the farmer sells that milk to a producer, what that producer turns that milk into, whether it's cheese or fluid milk or various types of cheese, he has to pay money back to the farmer based on what he is producing. To me, this is a wildly crazy system and it made me a little embarrassed for making fun of the Canadians for their absurd token system. But in talking to Josh, he actually had a front row seat for this. Josh, you were one of the people to testify before Congress on this subject. Tell us what we don't know just by looking on the outside.

Guest [00:11:44] Yeah, I was actually the first farmer that got to testify in this federal hearing for it online when they had it down in Indiana. But yeah, it's a crazy system. But the one correction I would say is that it regulates the minimum price you can pay so people can pay over it. And it was seemed to set up, I think early 1920s it was set up just to make sure people weren't jumping between producers or jumping between cooperatives where they were selling milk and make sure everybody kind of got a fair price. It's gonna go for a vote here in January. It sounds like it'll be, I'm guessing it'll pass in most orders. It sounds like the upper, upper Midwest order might be a little bit of a close vote, but interestingly enough, you just need that two thirds majority of you, of the milk or the farmers to produce or to pass it. You don't need one or you don't need both of them. So it can get passed by a few large cooperatives here if they block vote and I'm guessing it will, but yeah, you're asking farmers to vote against the pay price increase, which is something I can't imagine's gonna be popular, but it looks like it's gonna decrease farmer pay across the country about 75 cents or so.

Vance Crowe [00:12:51] So tell me a little bit about this, 'cause before the show we were chatting about how the, the farming, the way that you vote on this is not to say, Hey, I like some of these changes and I don't like others of these changes. What happens is they put forward a slate of of hey these are what we're gonna do. We're gonna change how much we pay for either fluid milk or for a 500 pound barrel cheddar. And then you either vote yes or no and both sides, the farmer and the producer get a chance to do it. And if two thirds of either sides says yes, we like it, then it goes forward. Is that right?

Guest [00:13:28] So yeah, you got a yes vote or no vote. The yes vote is yes, you're gonna accept these changes. The no is no working, not not have a federal order system. So like Idaho Depoed, I think in the early two thousands last time this I Idaho Depoed last time this came up for a vote. But yeah, it's either two thirds of the total milk represented in your pool or two thirds of the farmers have to say yes for it to go through.

Vance Crowe [00:13:52] And so where did organic dairy farmers come out on this?

Guest [00:13:58] I think most of us are probably gonna vote no. I hope most of us are gonna vote no. When I testified, my testimony was about the fact that I don't think organic milk should be put into the system, just the way the system works in calling up milk, our cooperative specifically and a lot of organic milk is in fluid and we pay well, well well over these federal class minimums anyways. But just the way the fluid balancing works, it's so the fluid people are paying into the system. So for the benefit of them when milk is tight or when milk is short in their order, they can call up milk from other orders into their order. The problem being, what

Vance Crowe [00:14:33] Does that mean call up?

Guest [00:14:34] Like you can request milk to come into your order or request milk to come into your plant if you're a fluid plant. The problem being for an organic product producer, if you call up milk into your order or into your plant, you're gonna get conventional milk and you can't process that anyways. So we're just paying into a system. It's essentially a big tax onto us just to play in this silly system that has been developed and has continued on for the last almost a hundred years now.

Vance Crowe [00:15:03] Well since I gave you a quick barb at the beginning about being an organic farm, can you make the case for what is the value of organic milk?

Guest [00:15:13] Yeah, to me it's just two big things. I mean it's milk that's a hundred percent antibiotic free. I mean those animals are raised without anti antibiotics from day one. And that's really important for a lot of consumers. The other thing that is probably even more important for consumers is that the fact that all the land and all the food grown from the animals is, doesn't use any pesticides or herbicides. So no glyphosate or anything like that getting into their food. And that's even more important when you talk about just a total whole organic food spectrum. And then the other thing that really draws a lot of consumers to organic is just the fact that it's grown on small family farms across the country. That's something that really draws a lot of consumers in that story and that pasture usage is something that they believe in and that's why they pay for that organic seal. I think consumer research would show that that organic USDA organic seal is probably the most trusted seal in the industry compared to a lot of these other seals and people pay for it and I it's a good product.

Vance Crowe [00:16:13] Yeah, I have to say that in the last few, I don't know, maybe even just the last year, my mind has really been changing on a lot of things. And it largely because of eggs. I was getting eggs from the grocery store and I would crack 'em and they cracked funny. That's a

Guest [00:16:26] Crazy case.

Vance Crowe [00:16:27] Yeah. And, and I started getting organic eggs and pasture raised eggs and all of a sudden the shell was thicker and it cracked the way I remembered it. And so the, I had to finally admit like there is something different going on and you, you, you know, I can't necessarily nail down why, but I, I'm, I am open to the idea that my original ideas were not correct. Okay. Two minutes left and I want to talk a little bit about the appointments. The huge news this afternoon was that RFK who many people thought might be tapped to run the USDA was actually tapped to run HHS Health and Human Services, which shockingly is the largest part of the United States budget. And he is going to have oversight and they've already started calling for trials and hearings on things with vaccine manufacturers and people that participated not only in COVID but the entire vaccine system. What else are you hearing about there? What are people paying attention to and do you have a prediction on who's gonna get tapped for USDA?

Guest [00:17:31] Yeah, I think this is a much more fitting place or kind of where I thought RFK would end up. I didn't really think him or Massey would end up as the Secretary of Agriculture just because of a few other things. And I know Trump's been welcoming the RFK crowd in, but he is also kept RFK at a good arms distance. As far as the Ag Secretary, I don't have a good idea, but I can tell you it's probably not gonna come out of the house if you think Trump's gonna start pulling people outta the house when the house is sitting this tight. I think Republicans only have about one 19 right now, so I don't think it's gonna be Massey. And if they do pull somebody outta the house, I probably like gt a little bit better than Massey. You

Vance Crowe [00:18:08] Are the only person I know personally that doesn't think it's gonna be Massey that that's what everybody is saying. It is.

Guest [00:18:15] Yeah. That's what everybody in circles are saying. I I just don't think it's gonna end up being Massey. His, his race would be way too competitive also to come bring somebody outta the house Right now I just don't see that happening. I think there's a lot of other choices that make a lot more sense. I do think Trump's getting on on board with this RFK crowd and those circles. I just don't think he's ready to make that step. Especially with the trade wars and things coming. I think the, if history repeats itself, I think corn farmers and grain farmers are gonna be in for some massive payouts from the government once Trump starts his trade war. And that's I think how his egg secretary is gonna go.

Vance Crowe [00:18:54] I So you think as Sonny Perdue then maybe a repeat.

Guest [00:18:58] Yeah, Sonny Purdue, there's a couple other names out there and there's a farmer from Indiana, I think his name's been thrown out. And a couple guys from Texas and then one from south. Are

Vance Crowe [00:19:08] You talking about KIPP Tom? Maybe USDA?

Guest [00:19:10] Yeah.

Vance Crowe [00:19:11] Okay.

Guest [00:19:12] There's a, yeah, there's a longer list I think that's in, that would make a lot more sense than Massey. Well that

Vance Crowe [00:19:20] Is,

Guest [00:19:20] I just don't think anybody's gonna pull out of this house unless it's gt 'cause he's not in a very competitive district and he wrote this farm bill essentially.

Vance Crowe [00:19:28] It is definitely something that a lot of people are watching and it is going to shape the next four years and maybe the next generation of people. When you think about putting Kennedy in at HHS, it means you could put a big wild card in on ag as well. Alright.

Guest [00:19:43] He just put a lot of wild cards in so far, so we'll see what comes.

Vance Crowe [00:19:46] Yeah, and you know what, I've been talking to people even if you didn't like,

Guest [00:19:50] You

Vance Crowe [00:19:50] Know, one or two picks, you might like some of the other ones like Right. And ev everybody, everybody, everybody should like the idea of cutting out as much bureaucracy as humanly possible because we are not a democracy, we are a bureaucracy and I love seeing it cut down. Alright. Except

Guest [00:20:06] That's, except the irony of making, except the irony of making one more department to cut all the departments is a little.

Vance Crowe [00:20:10] I do. I do think that's just like always whatever the, the department is named, it's gonna do the opposite. So I am afraid that it'll do more. Right. So, all right, that's gonna do it. If you have any news that you think we should cover on the Ag tribes report, definitely hit me up on X at Vance Crowe. And if you have any comments, go ahead and leave them here. We will read them as we go. Now we are headed to the Bitcoin land price report. This was a monster week for Bitcoin. Last week when we were talking with John Kemp, Bitcoin was priced at $76,015. Today as of press time it hit $87,273. So a big, big week for Bitcoin where you are Josh right now, how much does an acre of land cost?

Guest [00:21:01] Yeah, I mean Grant County, Wisconsin, good Toba land will go anywhere from 12 to 18,000 an acre just depending on how it lays and how much is actually tillable versus pasture. But 15 sixteen's a good range to be in.

Vance Crowe [00:21:14] Yeah. Beautiful area. I used to go to school up there, it's awesome. And lots of rain and good, good pasture. So if you were gonna try and buy that in Grant County, Wisconsin at 16 five an acre, which is a little bit about the average, you said a little less than 0.19, Bitcoin would buy it. Or in other words, one Bitcoin would buy you approximately 5.3 acres of farmland in Grant County. How does that sit with you? Josh, where are you at on Bitcoin?

Guest [00:21:43] Well, I wish I would've bought a bunch in 1819. I would own a lot more farmland right now. But I, I mean the more investments that pop up like this, I think the better because it's gonna pull investors out of farmland, which is gonna be a big help. I mean, farmland and Grant County is way above used value. And so I think the more people that stick money into something like this the better because lesser people, less people are gonna be sticking money into land as an investment versus a used value.

Vance Crowe [00:22:11] I absolutely agree with that. And one thing I wanted to mention today is two years ago, almost to the day I had one of my first full on Bitcoin podcasts, I had a financial advisor named David Aki who came on and he said, you should allocate one to 2% of your portfolio into Bitcoin. And people all over the place were like, I wish I would've gotten in, you know, before, but now it's $20,000 a Bitcoin so it just doesn't seem right. And now it's at 87,000. Yeah. So the thing that's true about this is it's going to keep going up and you're gonna minimize regret by starting to get into it now. And I am not suggesting go out and put more than you can afford to lose in there. It's still probably gonna go wildly up and down, but don't let your ego get in the way. Like, oh, I should've done it. The train has passed me by. The train has not passed you by, but it is time to get on if you've been at all interested. Definitely, definitely explore it, try and learn a little bit more about it. Don't let your ego get in the way. Any last words on the Bitcoin land price report? Josh?

Guest [00:23:16] Wish I'd have bought some two weeks ago.

Vance Crowe [00:23:20] All right, now we're moving on to my favorite part, which is where I ask about Josh's Peter Teel paradox. This is when we find out what is one thing, Josh, that you agree that you believe that almost nobody in your tribe agrees with you on.

Guest [00:23:36] I will say that the average Midwest crop farmer can't even feed themselves, let alone accomplish this mantra of feeding the world.

Vance Crowe [00:23:44] Whoa, say more about that.

Guest [00:23:48] I just think, I mean, Midwest crop farmers, you're talking corn, soy, most of that goes into fuel and high fructose corn syrup or other oils. You're not essentially growing food. And then, I mean 2023, the US imported what, 52, 50 3% of its food. So we're not even feeding ourselves. I don't know how we can accomplish this mantra of feeding the world if we're not actually growing food.

Vance Crowe [00:24:10] Can you feed yourself on your farm?

Guest [00:24:12] Yeah, we have a couple acre garden and then, you know, milk is the most nutritious thing on earth to eat. And then got some beef cattle as well and yeah.

Vance Crowe [00:24:21] That's fantastic. You know, I do these Legacy Interviews and largely most of my clients are actually in agriculture. They come in from all over the United States. And if you are over the age of say 55 or 60, your experience of childhood was gardening and canning garden

Guest [00:24:37] Canon. Yeah. And like

Vance Crowe [00:24:38] Is a huge percentage of your time. And people like I now know I can, I can start up a conversation with somebody that grew up on a farm that's over 60 and be like, tell me about your mom's garden. And they'll laugh and they'll talk about either how much they hated it or how much they loved it and how they canned and how they canned meat. But you're right, we don't do that anymore. It is, it is fence row defense or corn and soy but not gardens.

Guest [00:25:02] Nope. It's fencer ro fuel and oils.

Vance Crowe [00:25:06] Yeah. And as a person that now eats a huge amount of butter and I drink half and half as a part of a keto diet, I mean having a dairy cow, I, one of the times I was given a talk to a dairy group and I, I pointed out that they are the original warriors because cattlemen and goat herds could take these animals along, have them eat grass and turn it into mobile protein factories. And so those guys went around and dominated the world 'cause they had these protein factories, you know, they could eat and drink really healthy.

Guest [00:25:35] Yeah, I heard you say one time you thought your keto diet was a little bland. I don't understand what's bland about butter and bacon and avocados and all those goodies. I think the keto diet's probably one of the most enjoyable diets.

Vance Crowe [00:25:47] Ha Have you done it? Are you on it?

Guest [00:25:49] I do it usually like late winter, you know, when I don't have enough work to do and need to lose some weight.

Vance Crowe [00:25:56] I mean, I, I don't, I don't hate it. It's, it's a good diet. I think if you're doing it the, the right way where it's 70% fat, it just, there's just things that

Guest [00:26:06] A lot of bacon and butter.

Vance Crowe [00:26:07] Yeah. And like the only thing that you can eat in that way that's crunchy is bacon and I guess pork RINs. But there's so much that like there's something really satisfying about eating crunchy things and I've got a terrible sweet tooth

Guest [00:26:20] Just like chips too much.

Vance Crowe [00:26:22] Yeah. So, okay, that was a good one. You know, I'm gonna give you a pretty high score on this one. I'm gonna say an an eight seven and that's because you are really gonna hurt a lot of people's feelings. But I think it's true and I don't have anywhere to stand on. I I, you know, I have some peach trees that have not yet fruited and a pawpaw tree. So if I cannot feed myself either, there's no judgment there. But I, I think it's true and I think a lot of people wish that they could find a way to have the time to do that because it's a, a deeply satisfying part of living. So 8, 6, 8, 7. I'm going eight seven on this one. Alright, now we're gonna wrap up with the very last segment, which is the worthy adversaries segment. Would, this is where we spotlight a person that you respect but you strongly disagree with.

Guest [00:27:11] Yeah, I'm not on social media too too much here, but I'll throw one out to Carrie Mess is her name Gary Carey. And really just that whole conglomerate of people like her and a Mexican milk made an Iowa dairy farmer. I think they do a great, great job advocating for the conventional dairy industry. They say a lot of nice stuff. I just think they miss the boat entirely when they start talking about organic and how it's all the same.

Vance Crowe [00:27:36] Say more about that. What do they say? 'cause I think I probably default believe a lot of the things that they're communicating.

Guest [00:27:42] I think a lot of the things I just say is that there's no nutritional differences and that it's just a big marketing scheme. And I think that's not true at all.

Vance Crowe [00:27:51] Do you think there is a nutritional difference?

Guest [00:27:53] Yeah, that's the one thing. I think it was the 2018 Food Science Journal. The in milk, especially the Conlin con conlin acids profile in organic milk is a lot different than conventional milk just because of how much fresh pasture the cows are eating.

Vance Crowe [00:28:14] Yeah. You know, it's one of those things that there's probably so much going on here. I have so little faith in nutrition science that I am open to other ways of thinking about it. And so I was really glad when you wrote me that note. And I think that, I hope it's a testament to other people. You should know that if you know something about ag that I don't know, you're not gonna upset me and you're, I'm, I'm not gonna be alienated by it. I read all of what Josh wrote and was like, this is a guy that didn't just go copy paste something. He actually sat down and wrote this and I'm really glad he did. 'cause I got to learn a bunch today. Thank you so much for, for coming on today. Josh. If people wanted to support you or learn anything about what you're doing, where would you direct them?

Guest [00:29:00] The grocery store. You can go to your local grocery store and pick up a nice half gallon of Organic Valley milk. That's probably the best way to support me. But if you wanna get ahold of me, you probably gotta go a Facebook or LinkedIn. Just look up Josh Reell and that's probably the best way to get ahold of me.

Vance Crowe [00:29:16] Fantastic. Well that's how he got ahold of me. All right. I want to thank our sponsor pharm test.ag where you can test out your fields and really find out if what you are being marketed to is the real deal. Does the pesticide or the different treatments you're using actually work as reported and Legacy Interviews. This is where I sit down with your loved ones to record them telling their life stories and actually capture them as they are laughing, telling emotional stories, talking about things that they don't often get a chance to talk about. We have spots open that if you wanted to watch your family's legacy interview at Christmas, we could still get those recorded sometime around the Thanksgiving holiday. If you're interested, go to Legacy Interviews dot com to find out more. Alright, that's gonna do it for this week. We'll be back next week. Just feel free to disagree.