Ag Tribes Report: USDA headed out of DC, Corn struggling to tassel with @ElliottHenders7

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Guest [00:01:36] Welcome to the Ag Tribes report, a breakdown of the top stories affecting the culture of agriculture with your host, Vance Crowe. The report begins in 3, 2, 1. Let's begin.

Vance Crowe [00:01:51] Welcome to the Ag Tribes report. I'm your host, Vance Crowe. Each week I bring on a co-host that represents one of the many ag tribes that collectively make up US and Canadian agriculture. This week we have Elliot Henderson, who goes by Elliot Hender, seven on x. Elliot is an Iowa farmer and Iowa Corn Grower Association director for district three driving advancement in corn production and policy advocacy. As a combat veteran and co-host of the Rush Hour Ag podcast, he helps growers navigate market challenges and tech innovations. Elliot operates a row crop farm and sod farm among many other income generating ventures. Welcome to the podcast Elliot.

Guest [00:02:33] Thanks Vance. Yeah, this is pretty cool.

Vance Crowe [00:02:36] So tell me a little bit more about your income generation. When we were talking last, you were on your sod farm, but what all do you do?

Guest [00:02:44] Yeah, we've got a sod farm. We do a lot of commercial snow removal in the wintertime too. We've got a grain merchandising facility. We've had event center reception halls, trucking businesses. We've kind of had to do it all just so we can have a life in row crop

Vance Crowe [00:03:01] And a combat veteran that's unusual for a farmer. What's your experience there?

Guest [00:03:06] So I, my dad had always wanted me to go to college, so I went to college and nine 11 had kind of happened about that time too. And when I wanted to come back to the farm, you know, my dad wasn't ready yet and I can remember, you know, when they flew the planes into the buildings on nine 11, I was actually, I think I was reading Black Hawk down when that had happened and I thought, well, if there was ever an opportunity to do something like that, count me in. So life took me down a different path and I went that way and then came back home, started a family and ag really wasn't there for me. So my wife and I, we decided to get started on our own.

Vance Crowe [00:03:45] And so tell me a little bit about you, what you've been paying attention to lately.

Guest [00:03:50] Sure. Well it has not stopped raining here in northeast Iowa, so we are literally trying to keep our heads above water some days. But this fertilizer thing, I think is a big issue right now that is really, we're just starting to kind of crack the surface on, on some of the what's going on and starting to come into more light. And I think it's gonna really take a lot more people talking about it to, to get to make some change happen with it. Otherwise, I think we're gonna continue going down this path of consolidation and market manipulation.

Vance Crowe [00:04:25] Well, we are gonna cover some, some stories that I, I'm looking forward to your insight. Tonight we're gonna talk about the USDA's major reorganization to refocus on core farming support. We're gonna talk to them about the Midwest corn facing pollination failures in certain hybrids due to overly tight tassel wrap. And we're gonna talk about the EPA opening up public comment on dicamba for re-registration of soybeans and cotton. And if we have some time, let's talk a little bit about fertilizer and where the prices are going. Sure. We're also gonna compare farmland and Bitcoin prices. We're gonna hear Elliot's take on the Peter Thiel paradox and his worthy adversary. And we're gonna try and do that in just 30 minutes. So let's get started. Okay. Story number one, the USDA announces sweeping reorganization to streamline operations and support farmers. Today, US Secretary Rollins unveiled a reorganization plan for the USDA aiming to realign the department with its original mission of aiding American farming, ranching and forestry. The plan addresses an 8% workforce growth and a 14.5% salary increase over four years without improved services alongside underutilized facilities in the nation's capital. So this has been costing them billions of dollars and they decided that what they're gonna do is actually relocate staff into five regional hubs, Raleigh, North Carolina, Kansas City, Missouri, Indianapolis, Indiana, Fort Collins, Colorado, and Salt Lake City, Utah for better proximity to stakeholders and lowering living costs, eliminating bureaucracy and consolidating functions.

Vance Crowe [00:06:05] This means about 2,600 employees will relocate with about 2000 remaining in DC and it would, it's worth noting over 15,000 staff opted for voluntary deferred retirement. So this is going to be a major reshape of the USDA. How does, how does this sit with you, Elliot? Was this the right decision, the wrong decision? Where are they going?

Guest [00:06:28] Yeah, I think, you know, there's been, there's actually been quite a bit of calling for this out here in the rural America. You know, we want more representation outside of the beltway and I, I do believe this is delivering that. I do think, you know, economically this is better for taxpayers too. If, if we can recruit better talent outside of dc you know, the cost of living in DC is so high and if we can bring these jobs out to the, out to the egg world, we're gonna get better candidates to, to better advocate and represent our industry. So I think that's a good thing. Plus the savings on, on like $1.2 billion to continue to operate the the, the infrastructure that they have there. We definitely need to look at doing something different.

Vance Crowe [00:07:12] Yeah, I mean I could not agree more. This is the biggest thing that I wanted to see happen with the USDA. I used to live in Washington DC and when you would meet somebody that worked at the USDA, more often than not, they were not some farm kid that went to DC to go, you know, help out. It was actually somebody that was a bureaucrat that was doing their swing through USDA on their way to somewhere else. They had no real knowledge or deep interest in it. And the, the size of the USDA is so mind blowing, you would drive on a road and go for blocks and it would just be one giant building. So to break this up, put it into the states is something I've been calling for. I'm super stoked about it.

Guest [00:07:52] Yeah, I think it'll be good.

Vance Crowe [00:07:54] What do you think it does to policy? Do you think that this undercuts ag? I've heard people say, well one of the benefits of having so many bureaucrats there is you've got so many people on Capitol Hill advocating for farmers.

Guest [00:08:06] Honestly, I think a lot of the policy is just so outta touch with what's really happening out here in rural America that any anything's gonna be an improvement over what we've got.

Vance Crowe [00:08:17] Yeah, my biggest disappointment about this was I was looking for Kearney, Nebraska. And what I was trying to say is I wanna put it in a place where the only way you could work for the USD is if you were willing to go hours away from a city, you had to drive there. There's not just an airport, you know, make it so the people that are there are there 'cause they wanna be there, not because they're a part of the the larger bureaucratic system, but I'll take what I can get on this one.

Guest [00:08:41] Yeah, they should have probably made it at least 40 minutes from a Walmart

Vance Crowe [00:08:46] Story. Number two, Midwest corn hybrids hit by pollination failures from overly tight tassel wrap. Farmers in the Midwest are reporting startling pollination issues in certain corn hybrids known as overly tight tassel wrap where the tassel sheds pollen while still encased in the flag leaf. If you're watching on the show, you can actually see we have a video here by Seth Filbert who posted it on X showing that yeah, he's got some corn and, and sometimes half of the kernels are not pollinated, which means he could grow this giant beautiful crop of corn and only be getting about half of the productivity about it. So it's been confirmed in four state. This problem is shocking growers because, and it happened as many people are saying, as a result of weather, you had Cold conditions, you had the smoke from Canada that came over and so corn took a little longer to go and then all of a sudden you got really big heat units, lots of sunlight. And so the tassel came out before the corn had silked and so the, the pollen dropped and there was nothing there. And so now you may have somebody that is growing corn that should be 230 bushels and they may end up putting in an insurance claim 'cause they're not even getting 70% of their harvest. So people are claiming right now that this is an issue of varieties that they chose. A lot of people are blaming pioneer, what do you think, Eric? Is this just a, an anomaly that happens or did people, you know, plant the wrong varieties?

Guest [00:10:21] Well, it it's Elliot Vance, but you're good Elliot. Yeah, the, and I've talked to a couple of regional agronomists on this exact issue 'cause I saw it on Twitter too. Do you know what states this is happening in

Vance Crowe [00:10:32] Throughout the Missouri? I've heard Missouri, Iowa, Illinois. I, I think Indiana,

Guest [00:10:38] I've talked to some of these agronomists, you know, and there's 20 agronomists that are on their weekly calls and you know, this isn't really an issue that's on their radar, especially here in Iowa. I haven't seen any of it up here in northeast Iowa. You know, the, the plant physi physiology aspect of that, that silking, you know, you, you can grow two inches of silk a day and you know, if it's not releasing pollen, and I know we had some rapid growth there with these heat units that, that that, that last flag leaf that came out around that, that tassel, you know, it grew so fast that it, it was, you know, we had a lot of white leaves coming up 'cause they just couldn't, they couldn't get enough chlorophyll in 'em fast enough to really function like they were supposed to. So maybe some of that was happening when, when, when they were supposed to be dropping their anters on those silks early. But some of the conversations I have had, you know, they had some issues in Nebraska last year where the, the first silks that come out are the ones at the base or the butt of the ear. So that late anters dropping, they had bear and kernels at the base of those years. Those ended up being some of the highest yielding hybrids that year. So I don't know that these, this might be pretty specific to small, to certain areas, but it's not something I don't think we're experiencing here in Iowa. At least I haven't heard any problems up here with it. But if people wanna check this, you know, if you can gently shuck that ear back and then gently shake that ear after you have it hus the silks that fall off are, are the ones that are already pollinated.

Guest [00:12:15] It's, and it's not uncommon to have, you know, 10% of your silks not pollinate.

Vance Crowe [00:12:20] I, you know, I was meeting yesterday with a group of farmers and they were like, this is just something that happens. It's not something you can control for X was a buzz, you know, saying, no, it's these hybrids and oh look at these idiots. They should have at least planted multiple types of hybrids. So that way you have the, the tassel coming out at the different time is the silks. And that way if it doesn't pollinate, it sounds to me like one you don't think this is that big of a deal. And two, just kind of something that happens

Guest [00:12:45] And we've been splitting our planter for years around here to try to, you know, guarantee against or have some type of insurance against those type of events too where, you know, you put one hybrid in one half of the planter and another hybrid in the other and try to try to widen your window of pollination.

Vance Crowe [00:13:01] Well it's gotta be a rough thing if you're watching, you know, just the most beautiful lush green corn popping up and then you open up those, those corn crops and, and the just the husk shows there's nothing underneath it. That's gotta be pretty tough.

Guest [00:13:14] Yeah, it'd be tough. I I I really feel for those guys and I, hopefully it's not as bad as it as it looks on Twitter and it's, and it's regionalized, but I'll definitely be following more about it.

Vance Crowe [00:13:27] Okay. Story number three. This was sent to me by a, a farmer that was hopping mad that this was going on the EPA opens public comment on dicamba reregistration for soybeans and cotton. On July 24th, the EPA opened a 30 day public comment period ending in August for proposed dicamba registration for over the top use of dicamba tolerance soybeans and cotton based on applications from Bayer, BASF and Syngenta. This follows a 2024 federal court ruling that vacated prior registrations over procedural violations. Farmers after the, the federal court vacated the registration said you could use the existing dicamba stocks under the EPA and until the a specific cutoff date in, in 2024 and new sales and distribution were re restricted. So people had basically stopped using them during the 2025 year. However, now with these new comment periods, they're hoping to bring dicamba back. What they're trying to do is to ask farmers, Hey, how do you think the new mitigation efforts that we're putting out there, including the 0.5 pounds per acid equivalent, there's no aerial applications, 240 foot downwind buffers, no use above 95 degrees and runoff controls. And all of this is being done because people, farmers are saying, look, if I don't have dicamba tolerant soybeans, sometimes that stuff lifts off the field and comes over and when my neighbors use dicamba and hurts me.

Vance Crowe [00:15:03] So he, the farmer that sent it to me seemed to think this was a terrible idea. What do you think, is this a necessary herbicide we've gotta have out there in order to be able to grow soybeans and corn? Or is this, you know, corporations pushing a crop protection tool that is not needed?

Guest [00:15:22] Honestly, I don't know. Choices. I always want more choices I guess. I think most farmers do. And I, I really, I spent a lot of time in the south. I used to live in Georgia and feel for the guys down there. I mean, to kill Palmer amaranth you need, you need more than just Roundup. And I think this is a tool for them. Yeah, I get it. You know, you can have cupping, you can have injury on other soybeans, other, other technology packages. Pecans can be affected by it. Other specialty crops have a really tough time with it. But Dicamba is a product that's been used for a long time and I think just have to follow labels and, and work around what these restrictions. But I, I think you want more options. I don't think you want less options.

Vance Crowe [00:16:11] Yeah. I mean to me, what, what I see is the reason they're you going back to dicamba is because glyphosate got sued to oblivion. And if you can sue glyphosate roundup to the point where it's costing billions of dollars, what seed company or what chemistry company is gonna come out with a new product, they've gotta go all the way through the regulations. And then on top of that, even if it has the safety profile of something like glyphosate, it can still be sued. So these chemical companies are going back to their old products. They're not doing new innovation 'cause it's too expensive and too dangerous. And Dicamba had drawbacks.

Guest [00:16:46] We haven't been innovating chemistry for decades now. I mean the it, the consolidation with inside that, that industry I think has hampered advancement. You know, I really do believe, you know, the next evolution in crop protection is probably gonna be like an RNA type technology. I don't think chemistry and sodium salts and, you know, that's not the future. The future's probably gonna be RA, they won't, I don't think anybody wants to spend money continuing to develop chemistry knowing that there's a new technology on the, for coming up right over the horizon.

Vance Crowe [00:17:19] I don't know. I mean I think chemistry has a long way to go. I, I agree with you. There hasn't been innovation in a long time, but I think that's been in part from consolidation and in part from the enormity of the EPA and the USDA and the inability to get those things through.

Guest [00:17:34] You think it's got a long way to go? Where's it gonna go? What's next?

Vance Crowe [00:17:39] I mean, I I think that to say that we are not going to innovate in the field of chemistry would be rather arrogant. Right? Like we have certain that we'll be able to find chemistries that we'll be able to fight back on on like weeds and insects.

Guest [00:17:55] Are you familiar with how the RA technology platform would work?

Vance Crowe [00:18:00] No, but I mean, I I would say they'll probably both be,

Guest [00:18:02] You could specifically target, you know, pass based on genomes and that's gonna be the much easier way to, to manage pests is, and I just think chemistry and, you know, chemical analysis is, it's, it's a complicated thing. It's tough. I do think probably the future's gonna is gonna be genetic.

Vance Crowe [00:18:25] All right. Well you had mentioned about fertilizer prices. This is something I had heard people talking about. What, what's the big news that you're thinking about these days?

Guest [00:18:34] So I, you know, I was out DC last week with corn Congress and you know, us here in rumblings that, you know, there hasn't been a single con shipment of phosphate from Morocco sent to the United States and these countervailing duties, you know, they're really crippling our, our farming economy. And I, I do think that we need a call to action to, to get these countervailing duties lifted.

Vance Crowe [00:18:58] When you say duties, you, you're talking about the tariffs that Trump put on.

Guest [00:19:01] So it's not really a tariff and Trump technically didn't put on, I know Biden put him on, but Trump won is kind of when they first came about. But you know, there's been a lobby from the manufacturers of, you know, we have a very consolidated, you got Nutrien with, with potash and you got mosaic with phosphate. I mean there's really no competition in those two spaces. And you know, their argument was, you know, their lobby was that they weren't gonna be profitable if they didn't get these countervailing duties on these foreign countries. Well they got their countervailing countervailing duties and now they're showing record profits. Do we really need countervailing duties on this stuff? I think not. And I think the American farmer and the struggle that we're experiencing, I don't think the answers print more money and write farmers' checks. Let's fix the system.

Vance Crowe [00:19:53] Yeah, I I actually had a little trouble finding very much about this story. I was able to find some stuff about urea and how Russia is not really excited to be exporting that to the United States. But you're among that you, I've heard people talking about this story, but it doesn't seem to be being reported about very much. Why do you think that is?

Guest [00:20:12] I think because who are you gonna complain to? You're gonna take your business somewhere else. You know, your, your hands are tied. You got, you know, these companies are providing 80% of the market with these products and they've gotten so vertically integrated that there's no longer any incentive to inventory product in this country. You know, it's just like our, our grain commodities. We're incentivized to, to produce as much as we can and inventory as much as we can so that we can provide to the market as much product as we can so that those that are buying the product can get it at the cheapest price. And the complete opposite has happened with fertilizer. We have no inventory in this country anymore because as we wait to make decisions on, on crop plans for a year or two out, we we hold, we sit on our hands when the prices are too high to make decisions on buying these inputs. Well, when it comes around that we can make these decisions, those inputs are often higher than where they were when we were waiting to make those decisions because they've offshore the product as we were making those decisions. So the inventory's just not staying here and there's no incentive for them to continue to build inventory. I'm an advocate for a strategic reserve on fertilizer in this country. We should have, we should have inventory. Inventory has to be turned and that would then keep price down no different than our grain commodities.

Vance Crowe [00:21:34] Well you're among some of the very first people that have brought this to my attention. It is a story we will definitely track because input prices going up at, at a time when sale prices of corn and beans is so low that it could, it could really, really hurt some people going forward. Alright, that is gonna do it for the stories this week. If you have any stories you think we should cover, you can always send them to me on X at Vance Crowe or by email Vance at Legacy Interviews dot com. Now moving on to the Bitcoin land price report this week as of press time, Bitcoin is sitting at 119,000 per Bitcoin holding steady just off slightly less than 1% from last week. So now is when I'm gonna ask Elliot, what county do you live in and how much does an acre of high quality farmland cost there?

Guest [00:22:25] Buchanan County is my home county and what did we say, 16,000? Probably the, the price on land. 18,000.

Vance Crowe [00:22:38] Yeah, you gave kind of like a, a pretty large spread somewhere between

Guest [00:22:41] 1618 call call 18 for an average. Yeah.

Vance Crowe [00:22:44] Alright, so by today's prices that would mean one acre of land costs 0.15 Bitcoin or one Bitcoin would buy you 6.6

Guest [00:22:55] Acres

Vance Crowe [00:22:56] Of high quality farmland in, would you say you were Bucha County?

Guest [00:23:01] Buchanan,

Vance Crowe [00:23:02] Buchanan County. How does, how does that sit with you an acre of land for 0.15 Bitcoin?

Guest [00:23:11] I dunno, I ain't got no Bitcoin so if I don wanna land with it, but I, I do think it's a fascinating topic and the, the potential with this Bitcoin thing and trying to curb inflation. I, I do think it's, it's a, a tool that we really should be trying to explore as, as something that can give future generations an opportunity in agriculture.

Vance Crowe [00:23:36] Is Bitcoin something that people in your tribe are talking about? Is that something they care about?

Guest [00:23:42] Not really. I mean I guess everything's about paying debt down it seems like. So if you got debt and then I know you and I have had a little bit of conversation about this, you know, the Bitcoin thing. Would it have got me the opportunity where I am today? You know, I couldn't leverage Bitcoin years, I couldn't leverage debt to acquire Bitcoin, but the system has allowed me to buy millions of dollars of farm land on debt and I've seen that appreciate over the years. So I, I'm probably in a better position today from the way the system was set up to own the land and you know, I can have my kids run through the sprinkler on the land. I can't have 'em do that on a Bitcoin and I, I I do struggle a little bit with, with wanting to convert my assets to Bitcoin.

Vance Crowe [00:24:28] Yeah, I mean I can appreciate that. I think there's going to be a merger at some point between Bitcoin and agriculture because right now last week Fannie and Freddie Mac were ordered by the, the federal government to accept Bitcoin as collateral banks are now able to hold it either as collateral or on

Guest [00:24:46] Their

Vance Crowe [00:24:46] Balance sheet for treasury assets. And so as this happens more and more, I think there's gonna be people that come along and say, Hey I've, I've built up this treasure chest of Bitcoin and I'd like to use that as collateral for land. And I think ultimately it will be an easier way to collateralize it than it would be even if you had a, a small herd of cattle. 'cause if you have that small herd of cattle and it doesn't work out and the bank has to take it back, they gotta go collect those cattle, they gotta sell 'em, they gotta get rid of 'em. Whereas the Bitcoin, you could liquidate it in an instant and get your loan paid off. So I think Bitcoin is going to play a very big part in ag lending in the future.

Guest [00:25:24] Yeah, and you might be right, I dunno, we'll see. Time will tell.

Vance Crowe [00:25:29] Alright, now moving on to the Peter Thiel paradox. Elliot, what is one thing that you believe that almost nobody in your tribe agrees with you on?

Guest [00:25:38] I'd probably say it comes back to property taxes. You know, they're just, we continue to protect the incumbents in agriculture and stave off entrance from coming into it. And you know, I've got some commercial property and for every $10,000 in value I pay on my commercial property, I pay $300 a year in taxes and on my, on my ag land, you know, for every $10,000 in value I'm paying about 30. And so I just, I really go back and look at, you know, the reason that we've got our rollbacks and, and TA property tax set up the way we do is to incentivize rural, rural development and people living on this land. And I think, you know, today's, today's rural economy just doesn't support that type of a, a tax program. So honestly I, I think, you know, there should be a different tax program for those that are living off this land. So for example, like a homestead exemption, if you're living here and working off this land, there should be a different tax rate for those that are living and working on this land than it's for the ones that are just holding this land as a, a tenant income source as an investment.

Vance Crowe [00:26:53] Well it was you that told me that there's actually been a a radical property tax or no, I'm sorry, income tax change for land. Tell me a little bit about that.

Guest [00:27:04] Yeah, so in Iowa they passed a law here a couple years ago that if you were a retiring farmer and you rented that land out after farming it for 10 years or more, you could get your income tax free on that. And I think that's a major deterrence from transitioning or turning land over to the next operator. I think it, it incentivizes people to just hold onto that land and I don't think that's good for, for the next generation in, in ag.

Vance Crowe [00:27:33] Yeah, I mean I personally on that one, like I'm all for getting rid of as many taxes as you can, but if everybody else is paying taxes and you aren't on owning that land, it means like you now have created a deep, deep incentive never to pass that on. And so exactly like you said, the incumbents win again.

Guest [00:27:51] And so, you know, the Peter till paradoxes that, you know, these are, I feel like I'm the only guy in the room a lot of times when I, when I question why things are the way they are and that we should change it because most of the incumbents, they don't wanna see any change.

Vance Crowe [00:28:06] Yeah, I tell you what, I'm gonna give you a flat five on the scale because I completely agree with you that the property taxes should not be set up this way. I, and I feel like people like Ron DeSantis are setting up to, to go that way, but I also know that if you're at Iowa Corn Growers, this is not something that they agree with you on and they probably really do disagree pretty strongly with you on. Alright, now we're gonna, I can see it, we're gonna move on to the worthy adversary. Who is one person that you respect but strongly disagree with?

Guest [00:28:40] Sure. I, I've gotta go with Louise Zumba. I'm my co-host rush hour ag. I mean he's kind of an old bull and I'm a young bull, so we're definitely at odds with each other a lot of the times, but I really enjoy the conversation that we're able to have and the opportunities that he provided me to, to kind of get a lot of these messages out there and you know, how that we, that we need to make some big changes for agriculture in the future.

Vance Crowe [00:29:05] Tell me about some of his positions that you strongly disagree with.

Guest [00:29:09] I guess that one, that prop, that income taxing is probably one of the things that we disagree on. I'm trying to think what some of the other ones are that are the, we've had different positions on, you know, how this land should transition and Solar Farms pipeline, a lot of the things that are, you know, really on the cusp and cutting edge of, you know, AI and autonomy in the future. You know, it's just, we totally come from different generations on that and different mindsets on, on what the potential for the future is.

Vance Crowe [00:29:47] Well this has been a good time, Elliot, so if people wanted to know more about rush hour ag or other things that you're working on, where would they go?

Guest [00:29:57] Yeah, YouTube, Spotify, apple Podcasts.

Vance Crowe [00:30:01] Well, what is rush hour ag

Guest [00:30:03] Rush Hour ag is a, we're really focused on like policy, ag policy and it's more focused rurally, but we're also talking nationally too. And we've got really good guests on every week from all over the country and all many different sectors of agriculture. We've interviewed several state senators, lobbyists, different group people from different associations, trade groups, also people from inside the industry, like your chemi, your chemical and industry also, or your chemistry industry and fertilizer. So it, we get a get around the horn pretty good on, on different topics.

Vance Crowe [00:30:45] And if people wanted to reach out, make a connection with you, where would you direct them?

Guest [00:30:50] Yeah, probably Twitter. I'm trying to get more involved on Twitter. That was something I really had to challenge myself to do, but I think that's probably one of the, the better places to, to catch me on nowadays.

Vance Crowe [00:31:01] Well Elliot, I want to thank you for hopping on here and, and doing this. I know we found a new time and you were the first person in this new four o'clock time, so thanks for coming on Elliot.

Guest [00:31:10] Great. Thanks for the opportunity, man.

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Vance Crowe [00:32:44] Alright, that is going to do it for this week's show. Thank you so much for coming on and as always, feel free to disagree.