Oklahoma Rancher: Mandatory Cattle ID Tags Are Climate Control, Not Disease Prevention

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Vance Crowe [00:00:48] Welcome to the Ag Tribes Report. I'm your host, Vance Crowe. Each week we bring a co-host that represents a perspective of one of the many ag tribes that collectively make up the US and Canadian agriculture. We review four news stories, discuss one of their Peter Thiel paradoxes, and then I'll ask the co-host to tell me about a worthy adversary on social media. This week we're gonna cover the state of the ag economy. It's looking pretty bad. We're gonna see some of the pushback on the mandatory electronic ear tags in cattle, the dramatic changes to the Bureau of Land Management's rulemaking. And we're also gonna talk about the pushback that Idaho farmers are doing after the state instituted water curtailment in the middle of the growing season. This week, I am joined by the one and only Cattle, Oklahoma Cattle rancher, and former host of the Ag Uncensored podcast. Jerod McDaniel, welcome to the podcast, Jerod.

Jerod McDaniel [00:01:44] Hey Vance. How's it going? Thanks for having me on.

Vance Crowe [00:01:48] You've been gone from the spotlight for quite some time. We will talk a little bit about that closer to the end. But first, let's jump straight into the headlines this week. The first headline comes from the farm journal's Tyne Morgan, the Ugly Truth 2023 and 2024 will go down as the two largest declines in net farm income ever tying goes on to talk about how there's a silent stress going on across America. We're talking about the, the low commodity prices and farmers trying to out yield these prices, but it's looking like it is not good. There's a 25 and a half percent decline over just last year, and there's still farmers holding onto the 2023 crop. What do you think, Jerod, are we looking at, is it as dark as the ag papers are trying to portray it out there?

Jerod McDaniel [00:02:40] Yeah, I think that the, the reality is that there is a de market decline in what you're gonna receive. You know, especially for crops. Cattle have have kind of bucked that trend in the last two years. I think you kind of go back, I don't know how many years you have to go back, but let's just start with cattle. How, you know, at one time we were killing all the cows. There was drought, everybody was screaming bloody murder that, hey, why aren't these worth more? And the market essentially just priced all the cows into the food chain. And now so many years later, we're at the double triple price for cattle. I think we're at the beginning stages of that I grain and it's not, you know, the inflation pressure that everybody experiences be it, you know, insurance cost goes up, your cost of borrowing just every, you know, everybody talks about groceries, but just the basic business costs have ramped up. And so now you've got farmers that are kind of in that same way. The ranchers were several years ago, just screaming like, Hey, we're not getting enough to pay to sustain this kind of deal. And I think you've got a combination of markets working to find a bottom. You know, they say, oh, we've got plenty to go around. Whether or not that's USDA manipulations another story probably is. But the fact remains that for whatever part parcel and reason right now, farmers are not getting enough or not getting enough of the pie. You know, you see the grocery, the grocery store prices aren't coming down, but the commodity prices that they purchase are going down. So there's a margin there that's not being handed down the food chain per se. So I think what happens is ultimately you do break a producer, you break the, you know, you break the toy that everybody's playing with, and then it's gonna take a lot of money.

Jerod McDaniel [00:04:18] So you're gonna have to take where we're at right now and probably have a market increase for the next two or three years of that 25, 30% to get people back in the game because it's just a matter of like, oh, we can push this so far and at some point you're gonna push it so far that you break it. And I think that's probably what's coming up.

Vance Crowe [00:04:36] Yeah. If I recall a few years ago you were calling that there would eventually be much higher beef prices, and there were a lot of people that thought you were crazy. Seems like a lot of your predictions about the pricing came in, came true.

Jerod McDaniel [00:04:48] Yeah, well, there's still wrong. So I think that I, I really do, I think we're kind of in a similar setup. I mean, I remember, you know, going through the drought and actually we liquidated a big chunk of our herd and, and have rebuilt now in the last couple years. But it's a, it's really a function of, of where the industry is gonna pull the, pull the capital from, you know? 'cause right now they're like, well, it's been a very successful couple years. We can just lean on these producers, and you'll hear the argument that there's a ton of bushels unsold in elevators. So you've got the, the trade or the speculators leaning on that. They're saying, well, they're gonna have to sell by harvest. And the farmers are like, you know, go to hell, fuck off. We're not, we're not gonna sell it because it's below where we want it to be. So you've got a standoff. And what's funny about it is, is the industry has kind of orientated itself to be like, oh, whatever the analysts say, or whatever the, you know, the, the market report you read, you know, and it, they're just all kind of mockingbird. They just say the same shit over and over. But it's that common knowledge that, oh, the farmer has to relent here and they may have to relent, but it may also be a liquidation auction as opposed to a like, oh, we'll just sell it and move on. You know? And you see a lot of farmers that are retiring, you see equipment stacking up on the signs are all there that you got, like the breaking is starting. And at some point it's like, fine, break it. Let's see, let's, let's break it and see who comes up on top. Because that's, that's ultimately what, what it could boils down to, you know?

Vance Crowe [00:06:14] Yeah. I mean, you're definitely seeing the prices of used equipment starting to plummet because it is just, there aren't buyers for it. And then you're seeing layoffs happen in both the, you know, the big markets like John Deere, but even other implement producers. So it, you can start to see signs that the market is breaking. We're gonna move on. This is a subject that's been talked about for the last couple of weeks, and it's about electronic IDs. You brought this story up. It's one that comes from Lonesome Lands website, Jim Mundorf. And he talks about the corruption that led to the mandating the electronic ID tags in cattle. So for people that are not familiar with this, the U-S-D-A-A few months ago came out with a new rule saying that you must have electronic ID tags in your cattle's ears if you want to take them across state lines if vets are gonna work on them. And, and this caused a huge uproar. So Jerod, when I talk to some cattle ranchers in Arizona, they say, I don't see what the big deal is. I we're already using these to be able to track our vaccines. You know, we don't like it that it's mandated, but this is inevitable. What do you think? Is this an inevitable part of the cattle market?

Jerod McDaniel [00:07:26] Well, I'd start off with the last time government got into the mandating and tracking of vaccines. That didn't turn out too well for 'em. But that's a whole, that's a whole different story. You know, right now, currently, there's plenty of ways to identify animals. You've got brands, you've got Bang's vaccination tags. You have, you have multiple layers of, of animal identification. So the thought or the idea that you can't track at animals, it's just complete bullshit. That's not, that's not even reality. But what is reality is that you've got a concerted effort by the climate, religious, you know, kind of that sect of society that has decided, hey, animals are bad. Which by the way, if they're eliminating animals, that's your food source. So you by default are the, are the carbon that they'd like to eliminate. Now, kind of backtracking from that part of, I think what's going on is they need a way to quantify, they've gotta be able to say, Hey, how many animals are within this deal? How many, how can we assign a, a useful penalty to these people that are playing this game, but they don't have it? 'cause it's too fractured of an industry. There's no, there's no way to kind of like line everybody up to, to determine where we're at in the situation. And this is a method to like slip that in under the guise of like, look how great it'd be for everybody if we could just track this for disease. And so then they, you know, you hear a lot has been coming up about bird flu and all this bullshit. It's been around for, I don't even know how long. If you talk to feedlot guys, they say it's been in, it's been here for years, but whenever they decided they needed to implement this program, then they go find an actual, you know, it's a, it's a solution in need of a problem.

Jerod McDaniel [00:09:01] So that's kind of the preface of all that. Now you've got this rolled out and if you look, USDA will pay, you know, cattle organizations, your n CBAs, your state cattle organizations, they'll, they'll get money to go out and essentially be a propaganda wing for whoever is pushing this agenda. I mean, you could go deep into the global round table for sustainable beef. Like, that was kind of a precursor to a bunch of this crap. It's, they get the, the validation from, from, you know, what they call validation by producer groups, which are essentially bought and paid for propaganda organizations now. So you get them to sign off and then you have this kind of movement to like, yes, we need to do this, but every producer is screaming, hell no, we don't want this shit. But yet it still gets kind of introduced like, this is such a good idea and it actually gets passed into law. And then they'll say, well, we'll fund it, like we'll pay for the lease that we're gonna put on you. I mean, it's, it's asinine how people don't see what is coming down. Because as soon as you can measure, quantify and under the guise of like tracking, well guess what? Look, I mean, it happened in another country and all, before you know it, there's a hundred dollars per tax cow for climate, you know, to pay, to pay your climate penance, which again, you go to the climate, even the beginnings of it, it's simply, it's simply a farce. There's nothing to that. It's all made up bullshit. So,

Vance Crowe [00:10:25] Well those are pretty bold words about some of your, your big groups. But I was surprised, I heard Representative Harriet Hageman from Wyoming, she brought up, she was the one introducing some new legislation to say, Hey, my farmers don't want this no matter what the large organizations are saying. And one of the things she brought up was something you brought up. She said, look, they did this in Ireland where they did mandatory tagging and then just a couple years later they were forced to slaughter cattle in order to be able to meet climate mandates. And she said, you know, this could happen in the us. I heard her give that example and I had to be like, ah, maybe there's a point there. 'cause if you don't have numbers on people's herds, if you don't know what's going on, you know, out in the, in the, you know, the, the range land, then it's harder for you to come in and say, well, we should kill off these many cows in order to be able to save us from the, the carbon that we're releasing.

Jerod McDaniel [00:11:21] It's a, it's a Trojan horse. And the, the reality is if somebody wants to do it, the technology is already there. You can go buy EID tags. You can, you can do that right now. No one's stopping you from doing it. I mean, if you, if you choose to, to make that a method of identification, great. You know, there's no law that says you can't do it. You know, everybody's free to do it. They feel. But whenever you get the, the organization of a, of bureaucracy or a state or government, you get, you get some institute that has not the vested best interest of the producers involved. Before you know it, it's just the easiest way to maintain and claim control over that industry. It, it's happened in every other one. Thank God cattle have have been, you know, they have their, they have natural immunity to dumb asses. And if, if we allow this in, then that's, here we go again. You know?

Vance Crowe [00:12:09] Well that's what I heard when I was at the, i, I don't wanna represent the Arizona cattle growers, but they, the cattle feeders. But they ended up saying, look, we, if people wanna do this and they get a little bump because they've got EID tags in it and that shares your vaccine records easier, fine. But don't make it mandatory. And I think that's what I'm hearing from people like Jim Mundorf, don't, you know, if you wanna do it, fine, but don't make it mandatory.

Jerod McDaniel [00:12:31] Okay, let's, let's say you have records on all your animals. Because the way this works is as soon as you buy the tags that you're mandated to do, you go into a database and those tags are assigned to you. Well now once those cattle go through and they get graded, all of a sudden now you're in the record system of the packing house. You give them basically a ledger of their stuff. So every time they go to buy or purchase, they could say, well, we like this or we don't, we know these grade well, but if we can pay less for 'em, we will. Like why give a competitive advantage to a monopoly cartel that has already proven that they'll do everything in their power to manipulate and, you know, have malice intent towards the people that are their suppliers. Like it's just, it's, it's such a Pandora's box and it's all passed off as just like, oh, this is wonderful. It's, it's, it's for the common good. Like fuck that, you know?

Vance Crowe [00:13:20] Well, let's keep moving on. 'cause there's a whole bunch of stories this week and one of 'em is far away for a lot of us, the state of Idaho, they curtailed water for at least four counties in Idaho, right in the middle of growing season. Meaning farmers had a little red tag put on their wells that said, you can no longer use this. Well. And so farmers this week showed up with their tractors, tried to have a meeting with the governor, trying to push back on this. So you're in Oklahoma, Jerod, it is. Water law is a crazy thing. But it sounds like in Idaho the law is written that the, a lot of these farmers have junior rights and there's not much you can do about it legally. What do you think? Are these farmers just gonna have to take this on the chin?

Jerod McDaniel [00:14:05] Well, I think that they, again, they kind of, I don't know if they have an irrigation district or if they have, like, they've been organized at some point, which means that it's easier to collectively control them. I don't know either water law. But you know, as it stands as, as I understand it, there was even some talk of maybe a cobalt mine or there's, there's other big water users that are moving into the area or you know, maybe it's an electric company that's somewhere downstream. They want to, they wanna make more power. There's, there's alternative people coming in and again, using the control that is exerted by the state through bureaucracies, through policy to manipulate and say, here's what we're gonna do. Now you no longer have means to use the resource that you are, you know, have an agreement upon at some point. And I just, this is kind of off a little bit to the side, but at some point, either they have to decide, okay, I'm going to allow my my business and my my area to completely go bankrupt. Or you're gonna have to engage in just, just outright insurrection of no go to hell. Like if this is, because right now, if you look at the geography, they're having an a ton of water up there. It's not like the shortage of water is, is leading to this. This is a preemptive policy, in my opinion, to shut down the usage of by one group so that they can transfer that to another. Which if you dig deep enough, it's probably tons of corruption that's being, you know, backdoor handed to the, to the politicians in charge of writing the laws. And again, if something is completely insane, doesn't make sense like this, there's probably something wrong.

Jerod McDaniel [00:15:42] And then you have to ask yourself, I is it really worth obeying the law about? So, you know, well red tide to start that sucker say, you know,

Vance Crowe [00:15:49] These farmers have a great point. Idaho is actually having one of the wettest years they've had in a long time. They, they are refilling their aquifer right now. And the reason this is coming up is because the head of the water and natural resources change the way they did the calculation. And so it is just a bureaucrat changing the way the calculation is occurring. So these farmers are looking at like, hey, the rain is coming down, why are we getting less water? But the reality is they're in a state that the reason they grow potatoes there is 'cause this is a dry area and they need that water. And a bureaucrat has the power in these four counties to make it so after they've already planted, after they've already sunk water into it, they may leave those crops out there to die.

Jerod McDaniel [00:16:32] Well, how convenient and how, how, you know, how, how nice it is that somebody in a position of power can alter a few things that then, then excerpt the control over a mass of people that they're looking to exert more control over. I mean, it just seems like a weird circumstance, but maybe, you know, maybe I'm off in the left there, but

Vance Crowe [00:16:51] Well, let's head to the last story, which is one that you sent me. Lori Boyer from the Ag Information Network put out a, a little article that sent me down a rabbit hole about the Bureau of Land Management about a year ago. They put in a rule that has dire implications for cattle producers. Essentially this rule called the conservation and landscape health rule Advocates that are putting out there say, we wanna make sure that healthy landscapes, abundant wildlife habitat, clean water, are on equal footing with the other Bureau of Land Management uses. Now a lot of people don't realize this, but there's a huge amount of land that the federal government owns. And what they do is they make it possible for people to go hunting on it to ranch, to to leave your cattle out there and graze. And now they're making a change to the way they set rules that they're going to be able to use these things like healthy landscapes as a way to put forward the new rules that they put in. So Jerod, why don't you, you wanna put conservation and landscape health on equal footing to the, to the rulemaking they have in the past?

Jerod McDaniel [00:17:55] Well, because I don't believe they're on equal footing to begin with. But, you know, let's just let, from a societal standpoint, this is a common theme that runs through everything. Like the feelings of let's, let's do this feel good practice. Because you know, somebody who lives in a, in a, you know, and I hate to pick on people in the city, but somebody who lives in a city can then go drive through it and say, wow, how pristine versus the people who actually exist on that land and manage it through cattle grazing or through other means. Like, and that's evolved over sometimes centuries, sometimes, you know, multiple decades or centuries of, of land use that has been discovered as this is the best use for this land, ecologically, economically, philosophically, whatever you wanna do. And it's kind of the idea that, well, in order to progress in society, we need to, you know, set aside some of this for, for a, for a deeper meaning of, you know, it it's just something to placate the masses because they have now came up with this idea that, well, if we do this, it's better for everybody. It may be better for people in their voting district and there's frankly there's more of them than there is the ranchers. So I think that this is not going away. I don't think this is something that's gonna stop because you can have reality and then you can have the twisted reality that is embraced by the majority and that will overrun the minority standing there screaming, Hey, this is dumb, this is really stupid, it's a bad idea. And it's, it was, it, it's, it's, it's where you get to the point where you have to break something before you realize the absence of it is, is necessary.

Jerod McDaniel [00:19:27] I mean, you know, like, or the absence of it is proven to be a bad thing for everybody else. Like they don't understand what it's like.

Vance Crowe [00:19:34] I, I clearly don't have a dog in the fight 'cause I'm not using BLM land. But I did dig pretty deep into this and I went and watched a presentation by a group of people advocating for this. And I have to say that presentation was stomach turning. They were basically focused on not the rules and how exactly it was gonna work. It was, we've gotta get this through now before the end of the administration. You need to be calling people and get this legislation through because if the new administration changes, we're gonna have to start all over again. And this is gonna give us a, a real chance to be able to control what happens on BLM land. And that's not an exact quote, but it is pretty darn close. So I guess one thing that I'd like to finish this section out, the people that are pushing back on this is stuff like the NCBA, the National Cattlemen and Beef Association and the Public Lands group. So seems like some of the groups that you are not happy with are, are pushing back in a way that's important to you?

Jerod McDaniel [00:20:32] Well there's probably something to gain by, for them, for them to be doing it. I mean, on, on the, you have to, they have to maintain enough face to get people to pay memberships. So this is probably the, the one article they'll throw up and say, look what we did for these people. You know, meanwhile they turn around and, and open the back door to the wolves to come in. So, you know, go take that for what it is.

Vance Crowe [00:20:51] Well, I mean just for people that don't know Jerod one time put on one of the best mo it was groundbreaking at the time when there were some big issues going on in the cattle associations and you brought on N-C-B-A-R calf and the,

Jerod McDaniel [00:21:05] I don't remember USCA, the cattleman Associ,

Vance Crowe [00:21:07] Yeah. US cattlemen and they each got a chance to talk and it was a really impactful thing. So as much as you're giving some of these big groups a hard time, you really did give everybody a chance to talk when really no other news outlet was doing that. So

Jerod McDaniel [00:21:22] Yeah, well, and that's, that's probably why I feel so comfortable. Like I, I've, I actually, you know, had I even had some preconceived notions, but after visiting with them and actually, you know, speaking in conversational form, I got the opinion, you know, like people say that the R calf and Bill Bullard, some of those people are crazy. I've feel like that they are closer to the heart of actual beef producers than any other group than probably followed by the US cattlemen. And then, you know, in the distant third dugout, you don't want 'em over there, the NCBA, but you, and, and that's, you also have to realize that there's a, there's a twisted interest there with the NCBA. They're, they're aligned with the interest of the packers too, which are, which it, it's not even anybody's fault. It's not like, I mean it is somebody's fault, but at the same time that's just the way the industry evolved and now that it's where it is, you have to say like take a measured step. Like let's look at this for really what it is and, you know, move forward with that.

Vance Crowe [00:22:18] Alright, well those are our four headlines for the day. What we're gonna do now is turn to our segment, the Peter Thiel paradox, where I invite our guests to share an opinion that almost nobody in their ag tribe agrees with them on. So Jerod, what is something you believe that almost nobody in your tribe agrees with you?

Jerod McDaniel [00:22:36] Well, I, I have a question. What tribe would I actually be in? I'm, I'm curious about that.

Vance Crowe [00:22:40] Oh, the, the wild cattlemen that are rough and tumble and the Oklahoma tribe. I mean you, it's hard to name 'em exactly, but it, you know, that they exist.

Jerod McDaniel [00:22:49] Well this is probably hedging on the side of it, but most of the people in that tribe would probably agree with me, but I might go a step further. I think that in, you can go on a micro or macro scale either way. I think our entire society, and I'll start with like the government and authoritative entities are essentially kind of just a farce. They're not really there to serve the, the citizens of this, of the United States, nor do I believe they have their best interest. I think that it's, it has become sort of a, you know, a faux monarchy where you have these families that believe they belong in the Washington scene and, and, and they kind of hand the power around. And I think that you have intelligence agencies that have been kind of in the mix for the last several decades. And then you even have globally you probably have, you know, states like Israel and you have some, you have some world players that are basically using America like their, their pasture to raise their warriors as in essence and go fight your wars for 'em. So I think, I think in a long way of saying it, I think that the, the entirety of our government and the, the what's ran is basically corrupt and, and pointless in the sense that they don't serve the citizens. And I don't know, short of a civil war of revolution, I don't know what's gonna change because if anything has been demonstrated to me it's over the last four years is that they really don't care about humanity. It's just about how can we further our interests, you know,

Vance Crowe [00:24:14] So well and you are living in a place where when COVID hit you talk all the time when we chat is like they forgot about us and that wasn't a bad thing. Do you wanna talk about what happened during COVID while you were down there with your family?

Jerod McDaniel [00:24:27] You bet. No, it was, it was, you know, you remember back whenever people forget that there were essential and non-essential workers. Well we were in the dead middle of the essential workers, which if you really think about it philosophically what they're saying is if this is a pandemic that's as bad as we say it is. Essentially you guys are expendable because we need you for our survival. So go do the work and go expose yourself. You know, as it turns out, everybody was gonna do that anyway, you know, regardless of their allowance or to, or not to. But then they said, so a certain segment of society really isn't necessary, but we'll just, you guys hold up, we'll give you some money, go play your Xbox and hang out and we'll get back to you. But what it told me was that they, they need you around to, to essentially dig the potatoes and do the, do the work and you know, grow the food, do everything that that is required of, essentially, again, if you go back to like middle ages, the peasants needed to be, to be out there in the fields to make sure that the people in the castles had had enough food to go around. And I feel like that's kind of where we got to. And as it evolved and you saw the treatment of humans by the vaccines, the mandates, and then, and by by their fellow, you know, citizens, you just, you had, if, if you were any part of a wake, you could see that this is like the curtain coming down. Then you get into the pol the political side of, you know, the, which is just kind of a far to keep everybody, you know, at each other's throats. Again, it's kind of a dance of corruption and all that put together. And it, and it's, it's really sorely focused using social media and, and everything that they can muster to throw at everybody, to just keep them from, from really noticing the reality of what's going on.

Vance Crowe [00:26:11] But if people go back and listen to some of the first conversations that you and I had, I don't know, like quite a while ago I remember you talking about the conspiratorial ideas and at the time I thought they seemed a lot less likely than I do now. And now you see how much the media coordinates with the government, how much they were infiltrated into our social media. And it really is astounding. The hardest part for me is to imagine that the people that I knew in DC are smart enough to run giant like systems where they can pull this stuff off, but you know, they clearly are all working together.

Jerod McDaniel [00:26:50] Well it is, there's layers to it. I mean there's, you have like, they use, it's like different sizes of pastures of cattle. I mean that's it. I think that's ultimately, if you look at the way they treated the citizens in, in the pandemic, it's how a rancher would treat cattle. Like we need to, we need to contain these, we need to coal the ones that are gonna give us a problem. We need, you know, like the control mechanism was you will stay here, you will do this. And now flash forward, we're in the, in the cycle where they still treat people like cattle. Like we need you guys to go out there graze, produce food, give us your offspring to go fight. You know, they still treat people like, like they're cattle. There's not the, they're the citizens are only useful to them as a service, as a server servitude, however you want to say that. And that to me just is, that's where it begins and ends like, like if you have that, if you have that understanding of where you're at in reality then you have to live accordingly. And back to you said like out here it, you kind of make your own laws and rules, you know, absent the local law enforcement, you have to come here or wanna be here to control it and nobody wants to, which

Vance Crowe [00:28:01] I'm fine with that. That's a great place for us to wrap that section up. Now we're gonna move on to the worthy adversary segment where we spotlight individuals that challenge our perspective and keep us out of algorithmic echo chambers. So I know you are not on Twitter or X right now, but who is somebody on social media, Jerod, that you respect but you frequently disagree with?

Jerod McDaniel [00:28:23] Well and yeah it's, it's nice to not be on social media but back when I was, there's a guy that I used to, I actually read his market report for years, have tons of respect for him. Now we actually disagreed quite a bit philosophically on some things, and again, I haven't talked to him in years, wouldn't even know if he's still on there. But a guy by the name of Ken Morrison, he used to run Morrison on the markets newsletter. And again, I, not necessarily a mentor but read his stuff for years. A great technical analyst in the commodity space. And I was thinking about it the other day, I was like, you know, I used to really kind of disagree with him on a lot of things 'cause you were asking but, but you know, he's a guy that, I don't know if you still could still follow him, I'd go give him a shout. 'cause you know, that's someone that, even though I disagreed with him, I definitely respected his ability as an analyst and, and when you get in, when they, earlier when I referenced it's kind of an echo chamber or Mockingbird. So a lot of those, there's not a lot of independent thinkers. And the reason is, my belief is that if you stand out there and you say something that isn't kosher or isn't part of the crowd, it's much easier to cast a gate or say look at what you did wrong. Whereas if you're just right there with everybody else, again, this goes, you could even put that in a holistic sense, what happened in the vaccine deal. Just go along to get along because that's, you don't want to be the, the, the, the outspoken wheel in the, you know, it's like why be the one that says something different? And I, I think it's, it's human nature to want to be in, you know, in the monoculture essentially. But,

Vance Crowe [00:29:50] Well he is still out on Twitter and definitely putting stuff out all the time. So Ken Morrison and we will put him, I have a channel now or a, a list in x with a list full of people cited as worthy adversaries. So he will be in there. Alright, that is gonna do it for this. Who's yours this week? Oh well mine is is a Twitter handle called there's another Future and it's at there's and Future. And this is a person that recently came to ag and believes that they're like, I'm new to ag and I'm here to save it. But I have to say she's got some like exciting ideas, she wants to put things out, she's curious and I disagree with basically every one of her solutions, which always has government intervention in it. But I have to say, I, I'm, I'm refreshed by the fact that somebody's willing to get in there, say their perspective, share things, so there's another future. Is somebody worth, worth, you know, just checking out, engaging, maybe telling 'em we don't want more regulations to save us. So. Alright, that is gonna do it for this week Ag Tribes Report. Jerod, before we go, I have been asked by no less than 30 people where you went and why you left Twitter. So before we sign off, would you care to tell everybody where you went?

Jerod McDaniel [00:31:08] I've, I'm out here in the middle of nowhere and happy to be there and I, I'd just say get bent. I'm I, I'm good with it.

Vance Crowe [00:31:16] Well thanks so much for coming on. I'm so glad to have you. I want to thanks. Say thanks again to Farm test.ag. That's testing service that you can use to figure out if the methods you're using on your farms are working. And also Legacy Interviews where we interview your loved ones to record their life stories so that future generations have the opportunity to know their family history. Join us next week for another Ag Tribes Report with guest host Dwayne Faber. So we'll be looking forward to having Dwayne on and as always, feel free to disagree.

Jerod McDaniel [00:31:52] Thank you Vance.