After recording hundreds of life stories, this is what I’ve learned. 2023 Year In Review

Guest [00:00:10] Welcome back to the podcast. I'm glad you're here. Well, it is the last week of 2023, and so I'm going to do my annual retrospective every year. The retrospective is a little bit different. It kind of just depends on what I'm interested in, what I've been focused on. And so this year what I wanna do is I want to go through some of my favorite episodes, not necessarily the ones that got the biggest audiences. There's some episodes in here that the person sitting across from me said something that changed the way I thought about things, and several times the way that they changed the way I thought about something actually changed my behavior in the real world. And when I think about the deep value of this podcast, this relationship that you and I have, the types of people that I bring in, the types of conversations that I wanna have with them in one way, it is really about trying to expose myself and then I guess, you know, by consequence you to ideas that you just wouldn't encounter on a day-to-day basis. And, and even if you did, you might not get to explore them or pull them apart because I'm sitting across from the person I can ask them anything that I want. But the other thing that I want the podcast to do is to help me make better decisions in the world. You know, that as I've discovered over the last little while, is what wisdom is. Wisdom is the ability to look at a situation and figure out what is the right way for me to behave so that I get closer to the outcome I want, and what is the right way that I can advise other people so they can get the outcome that they want.

Guest [00:01:47] And I think that the podcast for me has really been a distillation of wisdom. And sometimes we talk with people and they're just interesting conversations. You get to find out about their, their weird lives or their deep knowledge in something. But sometimes people will say things that just really knock you down and make you say, Hey, I, I should probably integrate that into my life. So I'm gonna talk about some of those podcast episodes. I also want to talk about change, and I wanna talk about what happens when you make some change. You know, we released some episodes this year about untying the Knot, how to, how to get past things like addiction, but there's always some price to be paid. Even if you make a positive change in your life, you've gotta give something else up. So I wanna talk about some of the change that I've experienced, and hopefully that informs some of the change that either you are gonna try and make for yourselves. Or it might just be somebody saying like, yeah, I, I went through that too. I, I know exactly what that's like and I'm just glad to know that somebody else did. Now, before we get to that, I took some time in the last week to really reflect on the lessons I've learned from doing well over a hundred Legacy Interviews just this year alone. So longtime listeners of the podcast know that I conduct Legacy Interviews. This is where I sit down with individuals and couples to get them to share their life stories so that future generations can know their family history. Now, any one individual story is fascinating. I, I've had people ask me like, how can you just listen to people tell their stories, you know, day in and day out and, and be awake?

Guest [00:03:23] And I'm like, are you kidding? This isn't just awake. I am leaning forward in my chair. I am completely wrapped in their story. And this is whether they're a great storyteller or not, because this person is sharing with you what they did with this incredibly precious gift of life, with the time that they had from the place that they started. And every single person, every single one has a story that is engaging and interesting and compelling. And my job is to figure out how do I ask the right question to get them to talk about it. Now, as I've listened to hundreds of interviews, I can look at any one individual story and say, there's wisdom there. There's a value that I can pull out from my own life. But the other thing that happens when you've done hundreds of interviews is that you can zoom the camera lens back and you can say, well, what is the pattern between these people? Because if I'm being really honest, I want to be these people one day. And what does that mean? You know, the, the people come in, some of them are very, very wealthy, some of them are not wealthy. Some of them, their children have done much better than them. Some of them are just regular ordinary people. So how is it that I can say I want to be in the chair that all of them are in? And I think it comes down to, I want to be respected in the way that these people have someone else's respect. About 80% of the, the interviews we do, they're, they're bought by the adult children of the person I'm interviewing.

Guest [00:05:00] So that means that that person, no matter what kind of conflict they had with their children, no matter what kind of strife, no matter what, what happened, they get to the upper end of their years will say 65 and above. And their kids still care about them so much. They, they, they wanna honor them so much that they want to capture their stories oftentimes so that the grandkids can know what was mom and dad's mom and dad like. And there's something really amazing about the type of person that is worthy of, of getting a legacy interview. And so I think about what is it that I can do to raise my children, not so that they'll spend this money on me, but so that they'll want to hear the stories that I have so that they want to know and they want pass it down. And in, and in looking at that, I'm able to see these patterns that I think are worth sharing. Some of them are about what did these people do? And some of them are just about what were people experiencing when they lived a life two generations ago that when they were a child or they were in their thirties and forties, the world was different. So what was it like and what were they doing? So I wanna share a few of those things 'cause I think you might find it valuable. The first one, and this is the one that stands out in my mind so clearly now, but I would never have guessed it, was that we are so much closer in time to people living without water or electricity, or even indoor plumbing than we imagine.

Guest [00:06:34] The number of people that have sat across from me during a legacy interview and told me about having to go out to an outhouse or remembering when their family got electricity at their house is staggering. I always thought that this was like, you know, a long time ago, and, and I've lived in places that don't have electricity or running water, but here in the United States you think, well, that's not really what we're, you know, you know, that's much further away. That's like Abraham Lincoln times. But the truth is, for a lot of people living in rural America or even Canada, they have experienced life without those things. And when you hear that over and over and over again, you, you really start to think of, well, how did people spend their time when so much of what they were doing was, was stuff that we have mechanized now, you know, I have a dishwasher that once I fill the dishes up, it, you know, it can run for two hours, getting those things perfectly spot clean, it brings in the water, it heats it up, it does all these things. Well, it wasn't that long ago that there was no robot that could wash your dishes. Every meal had to be a person or a, a family system set up to wash those things. And so you start to think about how much differently the core family was set up when we didn't have electricity and running water and indoor plumbing. Now, I'm not trying to make this nostalgic. I I don't, I don't think things were better when people had to spend so much of their day just hauling water or just scrubbing things.

Guest [00:08:07] But I do think that it's really important to realize that the way we value time and the way we value people's effort is so radically different because things in the home have changed. You know, the amount of time that something like a clothes washer or a a hair blow dryer, all these things that they save you, one of the things that they're taking away is the need for interconnection with other people. And that brings me to the second observation that I've made from Legacy Interviews, is that people used to spend a lot more time with other people. Now, if you grew up on a farm and you were miles and miles from other people, and I hear this all the time, the time I knew, I have interviewed a lot of people that rode a horse to, to school, or they, their parents only had one car and their mom couldn't drive. And so they would just, they would talk about years of being on the farm where they would maybe only get off once a month or something like that, or to go to church. But when you really dig in, it turns out that yes, you weren't going into town, you weren't going to movies or to entertainment. What people were doing was spending a lot more time with their relatives after church or with their family members that lived down the street, or their, their parents had a lot of friends that would come over and interact and spend time together. So I always find it very interesting if you're having trouble getting somebody to open up, particularly about their parents and their childhood.

Guest [00:09:43] One of my favorite new questions to ask, I I got this question from somebody else, it was a great suggestion. One of my favorite questions to ask is, who are your parents' friends? Because all of a sudden it takes the child, you know, even though it might be a 65-year-old person, when they're imagining their parents, they are a child and they are not imagining the, the strife, you know, dad yelling at 'em while they're working cattle or mom having really strict rules about how to set the table or how to garden. But they're thinking about their parents in a more relaxed state, and they can picture in their minds, mom and dad having some drinks, playing cards. They, I've heard so many people say that mom and dad didn't have any ashtrays until their friends came over. And you hear people talking about the way that they spent time with not only their watching their parents spend time together, but then how much time young people spent running around on Saturday evening or on Sunday afternoon. And it's something that actually has really prompted me to think about, in what way am I exposing my children to the benefit of having something regular, having something that they can count on, but it also being festive and not that difficult. And where they get to see their parents be relaxed. Because in today's day and age, with two little girls, my wife and I, both owning our own businesses, it, it seems like it's so much work to get people together, but when people look back on their lives, they don't look back on the times when it was quiet and they were not doing anything.

Guest [00:11:15] And they don't necessarily look back and want to tell you about the most thrilling and exciting thing. Instead, when people look back on their lives, they look to the consistency of their lives, they look to the cousins that they saw all the time, the the way their parents interacted with people. And I think about that, and I think I need to make an effort to, to try and make that happen for my kids. And I think in the next year, while I know I'm, I'm gonna try and join a community organization, because that is another big, big thing I have noticed that people that are happiest in their life, people that were busy and hardworking and maybe didn't seem like they had a lot of free time, they always were involved with some sort of community organization, oftentimes more than, than just one community organization. And I think that that is what built up the relationships that their kids saw them be in. And it, and it really helped their kids have a much broader view of what is community and who do we interact with. And so I know for myself, I am, I am attempting to join a local service organization. We'll see, you know, I always find myself not being a joiner. I've, I've been called like, you know, the, the, the Ronan the Lone Samurai that doesn't have a, a master, but also doesn't, doesn't stay in a collective. So it will be difficult for me, but I think I'm gonna try and do it because I have heard so many people talk in Legacy Interviews about the deep, deep value of being connected with other people.

Guest [00:12:47] Okay? Another thing that really is striking to me, and this actually probably is the most impactful thing to me, is that people that even are very, very successful right now, they really struggled in their twenties, thirties and forties. And there's something really liberating about this. It is not in any way that I, I like hearing about people struggling about either going through bankruptcy or doing everything they could in the world, you know, including working horrible jobs, doing some of the most grimy manual labor, farm labor being away from their families, having to travel for months on end, going and working even, even in mines in order to be able to, to afford their life. But there's something truly like wonderful about understanding that the people that are older now that seem to be so successful, they had a struggle time too. They had a time where they were making decisions and they were nervous, and they had sleepless nights and they made mistakes, and they lost a bunch of money making, you know, big investments and they trusted the wrong people and they didn't pay attention to the details. Or they, they, they weren't always on, on board, but then they got through. And I think for me, as, as a man trying to raise a family, being connected with my friends, it's very easy to look around and think, I should have this all nailed down by now.

Guest [00:14:27] I should have this all figured out. I shouldn't make mistakes. But when I hear that other people did, and that oftentimes those difficult times in their lives, the times when they fought off bankruptcy by working untold numbers of hours, or when they had to confront a real family crisis, an addiction or something that was really dragging the family down, that as a result, if they face the music and they worked hard and they genuinely fought to be there, well, they look back on those times as like beautiful moments in their lives. Those are the moments when a couple is been sitting on a chair telling their stories and they look at each other. And for the first time they have that realization, like, yeah, we got through that. Remember how hard that was. Remember how we didn't know what we were gonna do. Remember how worried we were to see that happen over and over and over again is certainly no guarantee that the stresses and worries that I have or that you have are gonna just, you know, go away as we, as we get through there. But I can tell you that the people that struggled and persevered, this is what their love is really all about. And if I could capture that moment right, that, that, that electricity that is exchanged between two people realizing what they did, having never really thought about it before, man, I would bottle that up and sell it.

Guest [00:16:03] I, I, I think like it's such a powerful energy to see people come to that realization. And so I have a bunch of other lessons, but I think three is probably good. I have some other things I wanna go through in this podcast, but one thing that I, I think there's two things that I wanted to suggest that you do as, as Christmas is coming up for one, pull out some, some photos when you're with your family over these holidays. If you have any more time, maybe just do it online, but pull out photos and, and ask your parents or grandparents, like, who are all these people? Who are these friends who's not in this photo that should have been? And see what they say. Get them talking about other people. That's a way to get somebody to talk about themselves, is to get them to talk about other people. And then the other thing is to just be a great listener when people are talking about struggles that they overcame. Because one of the most beautiful things that I've noticed is that people, when they are able to recount and tell the story about what they went through, it changes the way that they think about that story. It actually recontextualizes it in their mind. And I've seen it so many times that I, I, I often wonder like, how can I help other people to help their parents and grandparents have these moments? Because they are truly beautiful moments in life when somebody looks back and they say, we did it.

Guest [00:17:35] Okay, now that we've done that, I've got a few notes on some podcasts that I think are worth going back and checking out. So I have, I think four listed here that I wanted to mention to everybody. These are not necessarily the most popular episodes, but they are ones where the people said something or several things or I just enjoyed being around them. That, that was really good. And I'm gonna start off with my man, Zach Smith. So Zach Smith created the stock cropper. He's the guy that's got that automated chicken coop that will be moving around your backyard. It's got an automatic feeder and water, and it, it's an amazing thing. Zach and I were talking earlier this week, and he is really excited about getting into the fabrication part of this and getting them built and having people do pre-orders. This is an amazing thing. And if Zach gets this project over the line, it will change the face of the way that people live their lives living in the suburbs, both in the United States, Canada, maybe even Europe, in ways that I think are hard to imagine. And I think that so many of us want this food sovereignty that comes with it, the eggs, to be able to have our children be around animals even though we're not living on a farm, that, although this seems like a wild idea, Zach is somebody that can pull it off. And, and I'm really rooting for him in the next year. I know we're gonna try and have him on again really soon. 'cause every time Zach and I talk, we we're thinking about like, Hey, how can we improve things?

Guest [00:19:07] How can we make it better? How can we build this? How can we get it done? So I hope to have Zach on again, but that is an excellent episode. The next episode is one that I didn't really know how it was gonna go. It was with a man named David Smith, who actually built one of the most high-end retirement communities in the United States, and then actually started a business helping other retirement communities get retirees to move in. There's a, there's a huge challenge. There's people that have a need. They know they, their, their kids can see it, that they need to move somewhere where they're taken care of, but the, the grandparent doesn't really want to, there's fear with this change. They don't wanna make this change. So I had David come in and talk to me about a book that he wrote called, it's About Time, and it's a sales book, and it is literally the best sales book I've ever read. It, it is amazing. And David and I sat down and had an amazing conversation about relationships and sales and how to connect with people. And this is the podcast that I hear about from a lot of people, particularly in the ag and sales communities, where they're saying like, there's a bunch of stuff here I knew, but I'd never put to words. There's a bunch of stuff in here that I, I had never really thought of before. So that episode with David Smith is, is a truly great one. The next one that I have here on the list is one that not, not everyone was happy with. It was an interview with a guy named Malcolm Collins, which I loved.

Guest [00:20:40] You know, Malcolm's super excited. He must have been on Red Bull. I had heard him on Sean Newman's podcast and he

Vance Crowe [00:20:47] Was running so fast on Sean Newman's that I was like, Hey, when you're on my show, you gotta come in at about 40% of the speed you were on there. And he did, and it was great. And he said a bunch of really controversial things. He also wouldn't answer some questions that I asked, and that really upset some of you, the listeners, some of you, the listeners were like, why would you have a guy on the podcast that will say some things but not answer all of them? And, and it actually created some controversy. And I heard about this from quite a few people. So some people love it. In fact, I ran into a guy in Colorado who was like, I found you listening to you interview Malcolm Collins. And then I've had other people be like, I think you ought to take that down off of your playlist, because I think people won't wanna work with you if they know you're talking with somebody like Malcolm Collins. So for whatever that's worth, I thought the in the conversation was interesting and I think it's worth checking out. And then the final one, the the last one I wanna mention is a podcast I did with Dave Heand. So Dave is a construction, he owns a small construction company that does really high-end houses, very, very small, very boutique, and he also does mountain climbing. And Dave wrote me and said, Hey, I think I'd like to come on your podcast. I think I have some things to share. And I pretty much flatly reject everyone that invites themselves onto the podcast. And I really reject PR people that try and get people on my podcast. So when Dave wrote me this email, I think I wrote him some kind of, some something quick back, like, yeah, thanks, but probably not.

Vance Crowe [00:22:19] And they wrote me again, and then I was like, look man, I'm, I'm not gonna interview you remotely, but if you wanna drive down here and you really think that this will be a good conversation, go ahead. Looking back on what I wrote Dave and how that interaction went, I feel like a jerk because Dave's conversation with me has changed so many things in my life, because he had all of these like beautiful one-liners, these beautiful heuristics about, Hey, if I encounter a problem, how should I, how should I rectify it? The the one that really sticks out to me is when Dave said, you know, when I'm, I'm talking with my guys and they have a question, should I do this on the job, or should I do that on the job? And he says, I usually ask them, well, which is the harder one to do? And then they tell 'em what the harder one to do. And he is like, well, you should probably do that one, because the other option is you trying to get a shortcut to get around what you know you need to get done. Now, I don't know if that strikes you as profound, but it strikes me, right? Like I have so many times in my life been like, well, I could do this. But when you start to frame it in that way of saying like, what is it that you're trying to get out of? Maybe you should do the harder thing and be focused on trying to do the harder thing that it becomes really, really good advice. So I think Dave's interview throughout the whole year was, was my favorite. It was one that people call me up all the time and say, that really helped me. I, I, you know, I really enjoyed it. So I, I just, I absolutely loved those interviews.

Vance Crowe [00:23:51] So speaking of the interviews, it is only right for me to say thank you to the people that make the whole podcast happen. You know, it's very easy for you to just look at the, if you watch video for you to just see me and another person talking and think, well, Vance just runs that on his own. But it turns out I actually have a whole team and the whole team works together on Legacy Interviews and on the podcast and on a whole bunch of other projects that we work on. But the team deserves to be thanked and they deserve to be acknowledged. I first and foremost, we have an office administrator, the, the, we call her the concierge attendant. Her name is Sydney Anderson. And Sydney came to this business almost exactly a year ago. And when we started off, we were like, we don't have a process for anything. We don't have a system. Here's what I want you to do. And it would be like, Hey, I've invited this person to come on the podcast. Will you help get all the details squared away? Well, she started doing that, and then she wrote down the system for doing that. And then I would start to have her mail things to people for Legacy Interviews and she'd mail it, and then she'd write up a system for it. And so throughout this whole year, Sydney has created systems for literally everything that we do. And as we've brought on another teammate, they've been able to just go to the checklist and, and make it happen. So the reason I bring that up is I could not be where we are without Sydney systematizing things. And it has been a wonderful gift to have her on the team coming up with things.

Vance Crowe [00:25:22] So I wanna thank Sydnee another person that you've probably never heard. I don't, I don't reference him the way Rogan references Jamie, but I have a guy that sits in, in the studio when we're recording named Solomon. And Solomon is an audio engineer that has a theater career and a singing career, and he fits in coming to do all this stuff with Legacy Interviews. Solomon and I, I was just thinking about it this week, have spent a lot of hours together. Not only is he here during all of the podcasts, he edits the audio from the podcast, but he's also here for every single legacy interview that we do in the studio. And so Solomon and I have been working together. He has made the sound of the podcast so much stronger, and he's, he's, he's always coming in and he's like, Hey, I, I think we should straighten up these cables, or I think we should do this thing. Now as the business owner, I'm like, all right, well, what's the benefit of that? What, what kind of time is that gonna take? And then, you know, he, he never pushes too hard. But eventually I'm like, okay, Solomon, why don't you do that thing you were telling me about? And then you come into the office and you're like, how did I ever live without this? How did I, how, how was it that I did not think that organizing the cables in the office would make a huge difference? So I absolutely adore Solomon. He, he's a quirky guy, but he's definitely using Legacy Interviews in the podcast to, to help him get to other places that he wants to. And, and I'm really excited about seeing him grow in the next year. Finally, the, the, the biggest hire that we made this year was a guy named Sean Thon.

Vance Crowe [00:26:59] So Sean is the creative director for Legacy Interviews. He is a full on filmmaker. The guy wrote a movie that was played in theaters all over the country. I have an excellent podcast with him. You can go look up, I'll, maybe I'll throw it in the show notes. But Sean has come in and he has really had, he's really had a vision. He's had a way of looking at what Legacy Interviews could be, and he just keeps making it better. He's very, very concerned about like, what is the shot angle? What is, how is the lights doing in here? What's, what's going on with the background? And that's only on the, when we're shooting the interview, when he comes out, he's got editing opinions, he's been making marketing videos. He's a wonderful person for me to talk to about speeches that I'm giving because he is just such an excellent storyteller. And so with these three people, Legacy Interviews has grown tremendously over the last year, and it's really been wonderful. And that's helped the podcast grow too. We are working on some pretty exciting things in the new year, we're probably gonna unveil a new website. In January we started doing some touring. In fact, if you are in Northwest Indiana or northeast Illinois, we will be in Monticello, Indiana to do a legacy interview in a bin Dominium. This is when a grain bin is turned into a, like a hotel or an Airbnb, and they've agreed to let us come and shoot some interviews.

Vance Crowe [00:28:31] So if you wanna be one of those very few people that we schedule when we're up there on February 8th and ninth, then then definitely go to Legacy Interviews dot com slash Indiana to, to find out more. But all of this is possible because I have such a great team. Now, I told you that we would talk a little bit about making some changes in the, in the new year or just in general. So I wanna talk about some of the changes that I made. The first one comes from Kevin Kelly and in, in his podcast he mentioned how valuable traditions are and about how you can with children, make traditions of just about anything. But this allows them to have something grounding. I think, you know, and if we think about the, the way that people used to live in community, a lot of that community was done through tradition. This is the way we do things. This is how we do things. I grew up in a family of seven kids, and my parents did a very, very good job of making our rules into traditions. And the, the, the traditions are what allowed the trains to run on time. But when you have a smaller family, you can make the trains run on time, even if you don't have everything in a super rigid system. But I'm starting now to see the value of like, you know, taking a photograph on the winter solstice and making a big deal about how we're gonna do one at the summer solstice, and we're gonna compare where the sun was rising from, and we, we do things with food and, and how Friday night is pizza night, and when we light a fire in the fireplace.

Vance Crowe [00:30:03] These kinds of traditions are the responsibility I think, of the parents. And if you can do it right, you start to give your children some real grounding to know what to expect to make things seem normal and regular, even if you are living a life of a lot of chaos, trying to keep everything going. Another big thing that I quit this year was coffee. I, I found myself drinking gallons and gallons and gallons of coffee. And even when things were going really well, I found myself being kind of agitated or a little bit, you know, wound up. Now, when I did it probably about six, seven months ago, something like that, I think it was really only possible because I had stopped drinking alcohol a few months before that. And I talk about this in a podcast called Untying the Knot. If I had tried to quit drinking coffee, but still drink alcohol every once in a while, then the, the funny thing about me drinking alcohol is it's, it's not like I was going out and having beers. I now just have this thing where if I drink two drinks, I wake up in the morning, I'm like, ah, am I hungover? Am I not? If I have three drinks, then I just know I'm hungover. So if I had tried to quit drinking coffee before then as soon as I felt that way, I would just go straight to the coffee maker and make that coffee to make myself feel better after drinking. So I was able to untie this nut and I was thinking that this was just all in general wonderful. But my wife said something the other day that kind of surprised me, and I, I wasn't really ready for it. She said, yeah, I'm, I, I think you are a lot, you know, calmer.

Vance Crowe [00:31:37] I can definitely tell a big difference with the coffee. She's like, also though mornings aren't as happy here. And I was like, really? And she's like, yeah, you know, you would drink your coffee and you would wanna turn on music and you'd, you'd be getting the girls going. And I didn't realize that. And I think like it's easy to, when you're trying to get rid of something to look at all the negatives, but then to, to maybe miss some of the positives. So I've now started to try and be more cognizant of like, was there value in the way that I was interacting with the girls? Is there a way for me to be uplifting without needing to get really going on caffeine? Or is that not something I should continue with? Maybe I should go back to coffee and try and interact with it in a different way. The reason I bring this up is because if you're gonna make a big change in the coming year, it's okay if it costs you something somewhere else, but you should be aware of what it's costing you because it's, it, if you now have taken on a big exercise habit, and what this has done is it's interfered with the amount of time you were spending with your children. Maybe you needed to do that, but it's good for you to be aware that that's what it's costing you. The same thing with working more and, and whatever changes that you're making, trying to think of what are the other costs and that shouldn't talk you out of it. It should just make you be aware so that that way you can do something about it if you need to. And then finally this year, probably the biggest change that I've made in my, in my life is just focusing listeners.

Vance Crowe [00:33:12] The podcast knew about the Articulate Ventures network. This is where we got together online and we had a bunch of like, practice speaking gyms and we had a chance to do debate and a, a place to like just kind of talk about things that were going on in the news and the podcast. And we had a book club. And I came to the realization that I just couldn't give that the time and attention that it needed. And so I took the painful step of shutting it down. And that was hard. It was sad, but I'm glad I did it because it allowed me to focus more on my work, both the Legacy Interviews, and now I've started going out and giving talks. I, I think that for me, figuring out how to make it so I could focus my energy on just one or two things was really, really valuable. And so as you're thinking about what you're gonna do in the new year, maybe it's not taking something on, maybe it's not a health goal. Maybe it's about focusing, maybe it's about trying to figure out how you can get to a place where you can really hone your skills on one or two things and, and maybe come and pick the other stuff up later. Alright, this has turned into a much, much longer podcast than I anticipated, but it is, it's really great to be here. I am honored that you listen to the podcast. I, I absolutely love it when my listeners reach out, even if they're telling me something they don't like, know that you can find me on Twitter.

Vance Crowe [00:34:43] You can always write comments on the YouTube pages, but just know that I am deeply grateful that you're here and I wanna know what I can do to make the podcast better, more interesting, more valuable. So in the new year, I hope you have a wonderful 2024. I hope you get out there and learn about Bitcoin and you try and find good ways to spend this very, very precious time we have on this earth. Alright, without further ado, we'll talk to you in 2024.